What's this mystery part, and not so mystery part?

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   Hi all, 

I recently got a C with a bunch of "spare parts."

Most I can ID, but this one has me scratching my head.  I'm going to guess some part of a mid mount cultivator?  What is it?

And this I know is an adjustment handle for something, but what? Cultivator again?  This should go on the square tube you rest your feet on right?

If it helps, most of the spare parts are from a B
Thanks for helping ID this stuff!

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Jacob (WI,ND) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Kenmare, ND Points: 1246	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jacob (WI,ND) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: What's this mystery part, and not so mystery part? Posted: 13 Sep 2009 at 7:42pm
	Hi all, I recently got a C with a bunch of "spare parts." Most I can ID, but this one has me scratching my head. I'm going to guess some part of a mid mount cultivator? What is it? And this I know is an adjustment handle for something, but what? Cultivator again? This should go on the square tube you rest your feet on right? If it helps, most of the spare parts are from a B Thanks for helping ID this stuff!
	Jacob Swanson 1920 6-12; 1925,1926 20-35 longfenders; 1925,1926 15-25's; 1927,1929 20-35 shortfenders; C; B's; IB; WC's; WD; WD45

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GlenninPA Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Ashley, PA Points: 5054	Post Options Post Reply Quote GlenninPA Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 Sep 2009 at 7:45pm
	The bottom two photos are of the depth adjusting lever for a B plow.

ChuckLuedtkeSEWI Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Jackson, WI Points: 1826	Post Options Post Reply Quote ChuckLuedtkeSEWI Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 Sep 2009 at 7:59pm
	The first picture is of the piece that mounts to the front of the engine that the cultivators for a C mount to.

Ohio Orange Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Butler, Ohio Points: 72	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ohio Orange Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 Sep 2009 at 8:36pm
	Chuck, I have one of the square bars with the mounting tabs like yours next to the tape measure in the first pic. It came with a C I bought with a CA wide front on it. It would bolt to the bosses that stick through the grill shell on a CA. I assume it's a cultivator tool bar for a CA.

Jacob (WI,ND) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Kenmare, ND Points: 1246	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jacob (WI,ND) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 Sep 2009 at 8:58pm
	Ahh, a CA part huh?....I didn't think of that. I guess that means I have to look for a CA to put it on huh? LOL! Thanks guys
	Jacob Swanson 1920 6-12; 1925,1926 20-35 longfenders; 1925,1926 15-25's; 1927,1929 20-35 shortfenders; C; B's; IB; WC's; WD; WD45

BrettPhillips Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Strasburg, VA Points: 808	Post Options Post Reply Quote BrettPhillips Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 Sep 2009 at 9:42pm
	Nope, it's not for a CA. As Chuck Luedtke said, it is the mount for the front cultivator gangs on a C tractor. It mounts to the back of the front pedestal on either side of the engine using the same holes that the front of the engine weights use. Then the front cultivator gangs are hefted into position and bolted to the bar at the front and the bell housing at the back.

Chalmersbob Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Pennsylvania Points: 2122	Post Options Post Reply Quote Chalmersbob Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 Sep 2009 at 9:45pm
	The square bar with the 2 tabs is to mount a cultivator on a C. It mounts under the front of the engine. Tabs facing up with 1 on each side of the engine amd mounts to the pedestal. Just a coincidence that it also lines up with the front posts on a CA. Bob

GlenninPA Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Ashley, PA Points: 5054	Post Options Post Reply Quote GlenninPA Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 Sep 2009 at 9:49pm
	Is it possible that it mounts the bean bar to the front of a B? Now I gotta go get my 60 cultivator DPM to see if it had a B application. Either way, I'm gonna learn something tonight.

BrettPhillips Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Strasburg, VA Points: 808	Post Options Post Reply Quote BrettPhillips Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 Sep 2009 at 10:09pm
	Glenn: It's a 317100 "Support Assy." , and according to my "Cultivators" parts manual dated November 1954 and a 1969 Master Index it is only used on the 80 series cultivators for C tractors. That would be typical AC though if it had been used for a special purpose on the B cultivators... You had me going for a bit!

Jacob (WI,ND) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Kenmare, ND Points: 1246	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jacob (WI,ND) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 Sep 2009 at 7:49pm
	Oh, ok, so its not for a CA, and its for the C's after all. Does this mean I can't get a CA then? LOL! I briefly looked in my "setting up directions and repair parts list for allis chalmers model 80 series "c" culivatoirs" manual (wheww, what a mouth full) last night and didn't see this part. But I didn't know what I was looking for either, so.... But yep, there it is in the pic on the front cover. I don't see the number in there, but I'll take your word for it Brett. PS: What's a Bean bar Glenn? Thanks again for helping ID this part guys!
	Jacob Swanson 1920 6-12; 1925,1926 20-35 longfenders; 1925,1926 15-25's; 1927,1929 20-35 shortfenders; C; B's; IB; WC's; WD; WD45

BrettPhillips Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Strasburg, VA Points: 808	Post Options Post Reply Quote BrettPhillips Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 Sep 2009 at 9:17pm
	Sorry, guess I got excited. Parts books can be lots of fun. Really, they can!! ;-)

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	Yeah, what Brett said! I've helped put 80 series cults. on one too many times. Those things are where blood-blisters originated from!LOL! Far as I know, they only go on a C. The depth adjusters only go on a B. (I think). Dream.

CTuckerNWIL Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NW Illinois Points: 22823	Post Options Post Reply Quote CTuckerNWIL Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 Sep 2009 at 9:48pm
	Bean bar must be what you wack your head on when you stand up after draining the oil out. DO I win Glenn? LOL
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GlenninPA Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Ashley, PA Points: 5054	Post Options Post Reply Quote GlenninPA Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 Sep 2009 at 9:57pm
	There is a vine cutter attachment for the front of a 60 cultivator, a photo can be seen in CH Wendel's "The Allis Chalmers Story" page 100. After examining the photo in the book more carefully, there is no possibility that the part shown would be used in that application. I would like to find one of those toolbars though. It would be a neat addition to my cultivator collection.