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WLHD21 
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 Topic: Wish all tractors would start as good as D-17
Posted: 26 Jan 2022 at 11:21am |
It can be 20 below out and the D-17 (gas) will fire up. I got a 200 that needs either to start at 70! 
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plummerscarin
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Posted: 26 Jan 2022 at 12:09pm |
If you’re unhappy with how the D21 starts, I’ll take it off your hands  
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jvin248
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Posted: 26 Jan 2022 at 1:12pm |
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I refurbished the old family Ferguson TO35 last year but warned it to be reliable or I'd switch it from factory 6v positive to 12v negative ground. It was always an anemic starting tractor back on the farm, needing a 98% battery charge or better to get going. I'd replace everything except the generator. So it decided to not start when I needed it (good reason to have a backup tractor) and I switched it to 12v negative with a new alternator and coil swap. Now it starts up with barely touching the button.
So I'm telling that newly acquired AC WD with 6v system that it better behave too, lol. But I've got other work to do on it this spring when things warm up. Three point addition, brakes (already pb blaster-ing the lower pins), exhaust, and small things.
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DougG
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Posted: 26 Jan 2022 at 1:25pm |
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Post said 200 needed either - not D21
Edited by DougG - 26 Jan 2022 at 1:26pm
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AC720Man
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Posted: 26 Jan 2022 at 4:31pm |
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He was joking about the D21 because he wants it lol. As far as the WD on 6V, as long as you have good connections, good heavy cables, good generator and battery that 6V system will spin her over fine. I replaced my cables with 1/0 wielding cable and what a huge difference it made.
Edited by AC720Man - 26 Jan 2022 at 4:32pm
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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD
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AC720Man
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Posted: 26 Jan 2022 at 4:35pm |
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As far as your 200, sounds like your pump needs a rebuild if it starts that hard at 70 degrees or you have low compression.
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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD
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Posted: 30 Jan 2022 at 1:42am |
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My 17 fires up same way ! Were not as cold "been in the teens" but turns over bout 2-3 times & fires every time ! Makes me feel good since rebuilt it from bare block, had lots of good advice from this site !! keith so. va.
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DrAllis
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Posted: 30 Jan 2022 at 7:24am |
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As a kid, at minus 20F below zero with a WD45 gasser, the throttle had to be just right, pull the choke out fully, push in on the foot clutch all the way, have a moment of silence, pull hard on the 6Volt starter ring, and it would always start. You didn't want to let it stall, because there wouldn't have been enough battery left for a second go-round. Pre-winter prep always included new plugs and points and 10W motor oil. Tractor had to start EVERY day as we milked cows.
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plummerscarin
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Posted: 30 Jan 2022 at 9:13am |
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Seems to boil down to a properly maintained fuel,ignition, and electrical system is key to reliability in extreme weather. Reminds me of when my 68 Cyclone was sole means of transportation. Even Dad had to borrow it couple times when it got to -20
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CTuckerNWIL
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Posted: 01 Feb 2022 at 5:12pm |
 DougG wrote:
Post said 200 needed either - not D21 |
There is a D21 with it's nose just showing in the picture.
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victoryallis
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Posted: 01 Feb 2022 at 8:17pm |
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If I had to bet lunch on a tractor starting in the single digits I’d pick the 160 over the D17 anyday.
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DaveKamp
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Posted: 01 Feb 2022 at 8:50pm |
The WC-WD-45-D17 engine has many aspects that lend to good cold-starting... and there's no coincedence- engines whose designs predate electric starting were carefully built to start easily.
My D17 will start in just about any circumstance... turn on the gas, set the choke, push in the clutch, if it'll cross TDC, and has fuel in the carb, it's on. It takes a little bit for the oil to warm up enough to not beg for a little choke, and I keep the foot clutch pushed down 'till that time, as the transmission load is a bit high when it's -15F, but after the engine has warmed up enough, I ease it out and let the trans spin in neutral to warm up the driveline. If it's really cold, I'll engage the PTO too, to help get the gearboxes warmed.
They're great machines... when nothing else starts, my D17 starts.
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Posted: 01 Feb 2022 at 9:38pm |
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Dad's D17 and his gas 190XT were guaranteed to start in our cold Minnesota winters though we usually didn't wake the XT from its winter slumber. My D17, on the other hand, is cold blooded..... or was until I switched from a Zenith carb to a Marvel, really never tested my D17 since switching though. Dad's D17 also has a Marvel. Actually Dad's two WDs and I belive he said his WD45 all started easily. I had a John Deere A and it was a miserable starting beast warm or cold.
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Dennis(IA)
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Posted: 02 Feb 2022 at 8:18am |
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I helped a friend last summer, I installed a new battery in his Ford compact utility ( don’t remember the number). Anyway I went to start it and it would not start (diesel). He said turn the key backwards to turn on the glow plugs, I said it is 80 degrees out. It doesn’t matter, you need the glow plugs. It started then.
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jvin248
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Posted: 02 Feb 2022 at 8:43am |
DrAllis wrote:
... have a moment of silence ... because there wouldn't have been enough battery left for a second go-round... |
That moment is what we did too.
"Oh, will you make me drag the battery charger and extension cables out here?" "... Not today."
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