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Anybody messed with the chinese quads engines,,,,,

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    Posted: 04 Oct 2022 at 10:03pm
  My youngest Son bought a brand new 2 seater glorified Go Cart with a 7.5 HP engine that at first glance looks like a clone of a Briggs & Stratton  engine. It ran good for a few months but started out with electrical issues and I took it back to dealer in Craalsbad and he told me that his mechanic was not having any luck witht he danged electricla issues. He had 8 others in there with simmilar issues. He told me they were having to change out part by part til they got lucky and hit the part causing the NO START issue. I said thas OK if you take the new  part off for credit if that ain't the issue. He refused so I said I can do the same thing. I read several articles on youtube and finally found a guy that was selling a "KIT" that would do away with all the Bells & Whistles and just leave a push button start, and ON/OFF switch and thats it, no horn no lights no turn signals, no emergency flashers, no nuttin!!!! 
 It ran great for a couple of months abut now is hard to start.  After new spark plug and carb clean out, the sob will NOT start!!  Finally got my head out of my pocket and ran a compression check and compression is,,,,,30# Engine is OHV so I checked the valves thinking one was leaking open but no luck it just ain't got no compression! I was going to pull the cylinder to look at rings  but cylinder ID looks good!! On closer insppection ,,,the frigging cylinder is ONE PIECE with the crankcase, SO engine will havw to come out and engine opened all the way up so piston can be removed from crankshaft for possible broken ring,,,cylinder has NO RIDGE at top,,,,??

Anybody ever worked on one of these??
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Kinda sounds to me like you'd be better off to go to harbor freight and see if you can get a cheap(er) engine to go in it's place
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What a sad "throw away" world we live in. Guess that you are supposed to haul it to the scrap yard and just buy a new one 😢😢😥😥
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The only problem I've had with the Chinese Honda clones is to remember to disconnect the 'low oil' wire when installing on walk behind rototillers.
I do agree though, buy another engine (on sale...of course ), pull the old one out, in with the new and then properly 'run in' the new engine. I get the feeling the quad might have been run full out from the time it first started so rings didn't seat right, makes for 30PSI compression ??
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 Well CHIT,,,,but,,I figured as such,,altho, the cylinder is not scored or have any wear as per my calipers,,,,? The dealer guy told me these were clones of a Briggs & Stratton, but it having the cylinder built onto the block this must be the later version of the original clone. 
 Before I pull the engine out of frame, I'm gonna check the valves seating on head ,,,,? 
 You take aa red blooded American 7 year old boy,,,,and the Only'ist throttle position they know is "Pedal To The Metal" and still hunting for more,,,,,,LOLLOL
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did you check the timing chain and marks before you tore it down ?  Could have jumped a couple teeth.......... If the rings are bad, you should be able to pour a cup of liquid in the cylinder and have it leak bad out the bottom end.... I would think a broken ring would DING up the cylinder a little..

Grandkid had one engine with the 3 speed trans attached in an ATV.... Engine always was a bear to keep running.. Finally tore up the auto trans by power shifting... I looked and it and said NO... Bought a new one for $300. and it runs GREAT !!   I guess their QA is not up to par.
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I bought the exact same thing several years ago.  I fixed by selling a guy that wanted it for his grand kids.  It would run a month or two It was a complete piece    of crap.
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I'm with Steve, I would think there would be some evidence of broken rings. I suspect head gasket, timing chain sticking valve, etc
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   Well,,as usual, ole Steve almost hits it on the head,,,I figured to atart at the easiest so I poured some gasoline on the combustion chamber and waited,,,and waited,,,and the friggin valves are not leaking thru,,,,!
  I figured to look at the rings and would go no farther. Took engine out of frame in bout 20 minutes and this block has an end plate that makes it plumb easy to remove the piston and rod and seen the problem right quick!!  The frigging rings are all STUCK!  Can't figure why,,,the cylinder nor the piston are not scored a bit,,,,SOOooo,,what happened for ALL the rings to get stuck???
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I had a small B Allis the the lower radiator hose broke and let a gallon of water leak out while mowing... Motor overheated and LOCKED UP... Took apart and the rings were STUCK in the pistons .......... no other damage................Overheating/ slightly warped.....
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Ring grooves machined too narrow.
Worn lathe tool, missed replacement.
Carbon filled the gaps and grips the rings.

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I've heard nuthin but good out of them Preditor engines from HF, they are a Honda clone. maybe replace your engine with one of those? 
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As JVIN said- ring clearance in groove wasn't sufficient.

A fix?  pick the rings loose, pop out the pin and rod, CAREFULLY chuck the piston in lathe at the skirt (pad the jaws with strips of soft wood), and dial it in true... then skim a few thou out of the ring grooves with a SHARP HSS bit...

Another way would be to put valve grinding compound in the groove and work the rings, but that'll take a while... and risk getting grit embedded in the aluminum.
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   HEY,,,,HEY,,,,,THis new fellar JVIN,,,I think he been in my shop lookin over my shoulder,,,,Wink
 I had sprayed some carb cleaner several times on the piston and finally worked the two compression rings loose on the piston and spun em off.  The oil rings came off pretty easy.  Run the compression rings down in cylinder and both have good end gap clearance.
  Ole JVIN hit it good as there was lots of carbon looking Gookies in the ring lands. When I DID break the rings loose from piston, they sprung out but would hang up when pushed back into ring land,,,,,
 To Dave Kamp,,what I had in mind but I do not have that narrow a tool, as the rings are very narrow,,almost paper thin, haven't calipered them yet, even my narroest  cut off tool is twice as wide as the lands,,,,,maybe I can spin the piston in my lathe and get an old oil ring and use as a cutter,,,,?  Also, thinking of getting afull sheet of say, 320 sandpaper and try polishing the rings,,,??  
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use a LATHE ????

dang, us reglar folks would use a fine hacksaw blade to make the grooves wider.....
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They are not intended to run flat out for long times. chimineese also do NOT use mics. or any sort of yardsticks in the manufacture of the stuff they send us. They keep the good stuff over there for themselves.
Got a 1" drive socket set 40 some years ago made in chimna and it has outdid craftsman, snapon, mac, anything you put it up against. I later found out that this set got mixed up in the export container and was s'posed to have been kept for their own use.
They can build quality IF they want to. --- They found out that we only want chepo stuff,--- so we dont demand quality! ---Every time you buy their junk you make them a hundred dollars stronger! sad but thats where we stand today.
IF everybody would demand quality from them they would have to comply sooner or later.
I try to not buy their junk but sometimes ya gotta bit the dust and do it! lol!
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