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    Posted: 22 Apr 2019 at 9:43pm
So I have an 8' or so hydraulic disk (John Deere KBA maybe?), and I put it on the tractor tonight to go out and play around where I did some plowing last fall.



The earth was cutting good, but dang if this thing doesn't leave some high and low ridges and just... Not want to track that straight.



Do I just have a worn out disk, or is this a common problem? Also, should I be taking half cuts, full cuts, double cuts... Cross cuts... What's the trick to getting the most out of discing.
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That is the way disks work leaving ridges and grooves. Back when I did full tillage in the spring, I plowed one pass then ran the disk at an angle to the plow paths three times, then ran the field cultivator three passes to chop off the weeds and grass that survived the disk. I cut those passes to two and had a much smoother surface by adding a single row of  spike tooth harrows behind the disk and behind the field cultivator the full width of each. I don't have pictures of them at the farm is now over 20 miles away from home. I haven't plowed in at least 20 years, and my tenant is a strip tiller.

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I got rid of discs here for that reason,,leaving humps and ridges,,more ya change the angles, then ya really get ocean waves,, I guess there are some that level good,, but I haven't owned one...
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It's not a "KBA" disc. Maybe a "AW" model. A KBA disc is flexible and that one has a rigid frame and that is some of the problem.
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How fast are you traveling. FAster you go the taller the ridges. You are gonna have to get yourself a harrow to smooth everything out. You might have to harrow it 3 of 4 different ways to smooth her out.
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appears you have different size blades on it, fronts are worn down and the backs are bigger. experiment with changing the angle of the front gangs. also...as Tom says...slow down! nuthin over 4-5 MPH. most all the green disks from that era did a lot a ridging. most still do now-a-days, the big green farmers that do our ground bought a brand new big green disk this spring, our fields look like ocean waves. if you can find one, get a red disk, they do a much better job.
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also...look on the right rear of your pic. it's packing in..in between the disks. get the scraper fixed, keep it clean between the disks. if you can find a good scraper, loop a chain around the spool and up over the frame, leave it loose, it will keep it clean between the blades.
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Front gangs are wore out.  Disc also needs to be level front to back.  You can adjust hitch height, I believe. also as others have said, keep the speed down.  as for the scraper problem, a loop of barbed wire can do the same as chain, if you wanna keep the costs down. KBA's are notorious for being POS's, I'd trade for a better one, with adjusting cranks, to adjust the bite of the gangs, and the hitch height...Hug
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You have a great AC tractor. It’s also good to see spring tillage photos - thanks for sharing. I have an older worn 12’ Kewanee Disk that ridges badly too. I’d double back on passes to try to get more even cut & manage ridges.

When my brother & I were young (10-12yrs old), we’d plant winter wheat in the fall. It took both of us to bucket the wheat from the Yetter gravity wagon’s 55 gal half barrel bolted under its door, to the drill. I drove the Farmall H & wagon. He drove the D17, disk, & drill. Dad had a one pass setup consisting of AC D17, AC 10’ disk, & JD 10’ grain drill. The AC disk did a fair job. It had 1/2 size outer blades on rear gang to help smooth out front gangs outer throw ridges. Yes, slower speed was critical.

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I like to hook the harrow/drags behind the disks, will require less passes
then unhook the disks and harrow at an angle across the field, if you havde rocks dont run the harrow to deep ;) 

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along with all the other comments, maybe too aggressive an angle ?  I had a Flurry-bessel(sp) drag disc and used  less angle, with a lot of weight in the back. I also did  a E-W pass, then N-S pass, then final E-W pass with 'levelling ' chains to smooth it out .
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You have what we used to call a transport disk.The pull behinds or drag disks were the ones with no rubber or carrier wheels if you can find an Allis Chalmers of that style it'll do a great job.
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Last tool before planting for me which was done here with horses before tractors also. Called a spring tooth. When the power and traction was available it was hooked behind the disc. Many times when conditions called for it the cultipacker was hooked behind the disc and then the spring youth was hooked behind the cultipacker.
Always finish up corner ways so you can see the plater marker or drill tracks.

Your disking job looks good very good.





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Thanks for all the information, guys! Hot dang, I never realized there was so much to discing.

So, it does seem like my front gangs are smaller than the back, and I for sure have never even tried to level it (didn't realize that was what the front springy thing was for). Not only that, but I do have a drag that is the same size as the disc I could use, and I also have some harrow sections I could put behind it too. A couple of the discs have some pretty heavy damage on it (done before it was given to me -- but the price was right!).

And good call on that one section plugging up. I kept having that one back rear spot plug up on me.

I was running in second gear wide open throttle, and it was a bit rough going. I have no problems slowing down so I don't get bucked so dang hard in the seat! Also making secondary passes at off angles or 90 degrees to the original cuts would work fine for me too.

Thanks for all the pointers and info, everyone!
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It is not the condition of the disc when you get ready to plant it is the condition of the soil. Money is more available for repairs to equipment than it was 70 years ago and good crops were grown with equipment in worse condition than your disc.

With the disc in my picture you set the angle to cut deeper. The deeper you cut the higher the ridges. With the wheel disc you lift the disc with the tires and your ridges will hot be as high. There is no rule that you have to disc with the disc set as deep as it will go.   With fall plowing all you need is a seed bed. The ground is already mellow enough to get deep roots.
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Years ago I remember my uncle that farmed dragging a board behind his big harrow . Still wonder how they didn't tear something up turning around. Didn't raise the harrow . Just spun around with the brake .
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The 3rd pic, appears you have a ridge in the middle. That is caused by the back gangs digging deeper, or at more of an angle than the front.  Even with larger blades in the back, you should be able to level the disc, so the front and back blades do the same amount of work, not leaving a ridge in the middle.
 Pull a 2 section harrow behind that disc, running level, and you'll have a much smoother seed bed.
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I have a very similar disc, a 12 foot Deere RWA.  It has moved a LOT of dirt for a lot of years and does a good job cutting up plow furrows for sure.  Most of your field looks good, there are a few extra deep ruts and ridges, but looks reasonably consistent.  Where you get plugged will cause unevenness, as will out of level as mentioned, but you'll never have a baby's butt finish.  Like Dick said, no rule says you have to drop it deep all the time.  In fact, your bearing carriers will thank you over time.  I run deep on the first cut, and once it's worked up some like you have, I lower it enough to cover the wheel tracks and smooth things out.  Still won't beat a spring tooth drag, spike harrow, rolling basket.....
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Garden_guy,
 Nice pictures! Makes me want to get out and roll over some dirt too.
 Is thai the tractor that you did the front end work? 
I think your doing ok with the discs as is. Not sure how many times you have gone over the ground also? We sometimes disc three times on our tough hard clay packed soils prior to planting. Also going across at angles on tough ground. Yes we also used a spike tooth harrow and a plank lump smasher behind the dics to level the ground.
Thanks for posting these! You have some good ground! What do you plan on planting there?
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See post on spring plowing. It shows how we set-up the disc and harrow
for the 200. Works great and smooth enough for corn or beans.
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Years ago an old timer neighbor told me that disking at 9 or 10 mph was more effective at killing weeds by the spinning disks tossing weeds and their roots up in the air where they would die from lack of soil.

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Originally posted by Gerald J. Gerald J. wrote:

Years ago an old timer neighbor told me that disking at 9 or 10 mph was more effective at killing weeds by the spinning disks tossing weeds and their roots up in the air where they would die from lack of soil.

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Yeah, and if your back, disc, tractor, can take that ride, go for it.  Then go back and smooth out the ridges!
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Remember John Deere's only go putt putt so slow down and lighter the disc they couldn't pull it that deep😁😁😁🤡🤡🤡

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Originally posted by Tbone95 Tbone95 wrote:

Originally posted by Gerald J. Gerald J. wrote:

Years ago an old timer neighbor told me that disking at 9 or 10 mph was more effective at killing weeds by the spinning disks tossing weeds and their roots up in the air where they would die from lack of soil.

Gerald J.

Yeah, and if your back, disc, tractor, can take that ride, go for it.  Then go back and smooth out the ridges!


I'm an old timer and when I was at home if I would have tried pulling a disc that fast I would be a funny looking old timer. Dad would have kicked my behind so hard I would still have my neck attached directly to my hips.
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May I ask you at what stage do you apply fertilizer?
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Depends on what your planting or what your using to plant with. Most corn beans or oats this time of year is put on while planting with the same planter or drill. On corn nitrogen is side dressed later. Some fertilizer is applied before plowing or now days tilling with one of many types of field cultivators.
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We were just doing some of this over the weekend.  My father-in-law is a big advocate for pulling the spike harrow sections behind the disc.  It also helps break the clods more with one pass.  This maens fewer passes across the field and less soil compaction. 
When my dad quit row cropping he converted some of the ground to hay field.  While he was at work he had somebody run the disc across it one last time.  The problem was that the disc was adjusted wrong so it threw ridges out to the sides with each pass.  That hay ground had ridges in it for the next 20 years until he and my brother started farming again.  You could tell every time you rode east to west across the field.  You could feel a ridge every 14 feet or so.
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Hi Garden Guy. 
Like the others, your ground looks good. 
May I suggest what we did about the furrows made from the back gang ends?
We clamped a slightly smaller disc on the ends that pulls some dirt back into the furrow made with the bigger blade as it it doesn't sink and cut as deep as the bigger blade. 
For example, if your main gang blades are 18", put on a 16" on the ends. 
This helped us with furrow problems in addition to dragging a spike tooth harrow behind the disc. 
We had the harrow lying in the forward position when pulled and not standing straight up. 
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you need to level it from to front to back it's pulling more soil back in than what the front is moving out 

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1) Slow down
2) Your disc needs new blades and bearings
3) Deere makes poor tillage equipment as Shameless said get a red disc preferably a Sunflower or Krause
4 It’s chopped up enough use a field cultivator.
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