Allis crawlers in Italy

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   Parked here for the record -A long while back on a thread here (I don't remember which one) I mentioned that Allis had a factory that made crawlers in Italy.  I've never seen one but a friend got a look at an Allis that he described as "Sort of like a HD 16 but not quite".
I've heard that Allis took over the Vender brand line - on which there is almost no info on the net. I found this
https://www.grays.com/lot/0028-5049143/agriculture-and-tractors/vintage-1950-vender-tracked-crawler-bulldozer
I have a 1970-71 (Oz) Power Farming Technical Annual which has a list of non-current wheel and crawler tractors, brief specs and the year they went non-current (not sure if that is factory or in Oz).  I dug it out and got these -
Model                     Engine HP      Draw bar HP      Gears      Year Non-current
Allis 150H                                       57                       5/5          1964-65
Allis 250H               120                                             4/4          1968 69
(Vender DR80CS3                           75                       5/5          1959-60)
Allis 350                  165                                             5/3          1969 70
(Vender DR150                               120                      5/4          1959-60)
The two Venders have the same bore and stroke as the 250 and 350 and came in the same 4 and 6 cylinders.  The Allis ones were wound up another 200 rpm.
So that might suggest that Allis took over about 1959 and stopped production about 1970.

Edited by Ian Beale - 25 May 2024 at 10:02pm

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Ian Beale Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 03 Oct 2011 Location: New South Wales Points: 973	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ian Beale Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Allis crawlers in Italy Posted: 25 May 2024 at 9:58pm
	Parked here for the record - A long while back on a thread here (I don't remember which one) I mentioned that Allis had a factory that made crawlers in Italy. I've never seen one but a friend got a look at an Allis that he described as "Sort of like a HD 16 but not quite". I've heard that Allis took over the Vender brand line - on which there is almost no info on the net. I found this https://www.grays.com/lot/0028-5049143/agriculture-and-tractors/vintage-1950-vender-tracked-crawler-bulldozer I have a 1970-71 (Oz) Power Farming Technical Annual which has a list of non-current wheel and crawler tractors, brief specs and the year they went non-current (not sure if that is factory or in Oz). I dug it out and got these - Model Engine HP Draw bar HP Gears Year Non-current Allis 150H 57 5/5 1964-65 Allis 250H 120 4/4 1968 69 (Vender DR80CS3 75 5/5 1959-60) Allis 350 165 5/3 1969 70 (Vender DR150 120 5/4 1959-60) The two Venders have the same bore and stroke as the 250 and 350 and came in the same 4 and 6 cylinders. The Allis ones were wound up another 200 rpm. So that might suggest that Allis took over about 1959 and stopped production about 1970. Edited by Ian Beale - 25 May 2024 at 10:02pm

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steve(ill) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 81242	Post Options Post Reply Quote steve(ill) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 May 2024 at 10:37pm
	I did not know that about Italy... But ALLIS had a deal with ENGLAND to build the B farm tractor which later morfed into the ED40 and 270 ...... Also they sold "KITS" to Korea about 1960 for them to build Crawler Tractors ( i think).... Most of these were not IMPORTED back to the US.. They would have been sold in Asia / Aussie and maybe Europe.
	Like them all, but love the "B"s.

Ian Beale Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 03 Oct 2011 Location: New South Wales Points: 973	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ian Beale Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 May 2024 at 11:03pm
	Steve There was a bloke here in Oz that was importing Allis components from Korea - IIRC mainly HD 16 stuff. Still brings in complete Komatsu and Fiat Allis machines. I vaguely recall that he couldn't bring in complete Allis machines. Edited by Ian Beale - 25 May 2024 at 11:04pm

steve(ill) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 81242	Post Options Post Reply Quote steve(ill) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 26 May 2024 at 9:19am
	I think that was the case in Korea also.... Their GOVT required some "local content" in machines, so ALLIS shipped "KITS" and they were assembled in Korea and they probalby made the sheetmetal parts , etc.
	Like them all, but love the "B"s.

ecosse23 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 12 Mar 2024 Location: Scotland Points: 10	Post Options Post Reply Quote ecosse23 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 May 2024 at 6:42am
	Interesting, there don't appear to be any entries about Vender in CH Wendel's Allis-Chalmers Story, or Norm Swinford's Construction Machinery & Industrial Equipment books, although neither of them have much detail about A-C's foreign acquisitions.