7060 Fuel Sender wiring

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   So, I had a fire in my baler previously
burned some wires off my baler harness, so I rebuilt that harness from the plug back

BUT during the excitement, the fire had spread to the back of the 7060, on top of the hydraulic housing area and moving under the cab

We got it out, but not before it burned some wires.   I jerryrigged some to get going again... but others I didn't, as I couldn't reach them, and read I'd need to lift the cab to do so.

Well, fast forward to today, and with my range/park cable issues, I had finally removed the floor in the cab to gain access, and LO! I can see a lot of wiring, AND the area of most damage.

the biggest issue right now, is the build up of dirt/grime/**** on top of the transmission/rear end housing.

I'm going to use my garden hose (which produces a LOT of pressure) to wash that area out after baling season, and if needed, I'll use a pressure washer.

I am a bit worried about the boot over the Range/Park shift vertical shaft, as I don't want to flood the transmission with water, so I'll have to be really careful there

once I get it cleaned, I'll start tracing/replacing wires

Now, for my first question:

what wire gauge is used on the fuel sender?  mine quit, and I'm thinking it is the ground, BUT I can't follow the sensing wire to the dash, so it "May" be damaged.
IF I need to replace that, is it special?  
Or can I just use a specific gauge of wire for the Line and Ground?

Thanks

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nanuk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 22 Aug 2013 Location: Saskatchewan Points: 257	Post Options Post Reply Quote nanuk Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: 7060 Fuel Sender wiring Posted: 03 Aug 2024 at 9:32am
	So, I had a fire in my baler previously burned some wires off my baler harness, so I rebuilt that harness from the plug back BUT during the excitement, the fire had spread to the back of the 7060, on top of the hydraulic housing area and moving under the cab We got it out, but not before it burned some wires. I jerryrigged some to get going again... but others I didn't, as I couldn't reach them, and read I'd need to lift the cab to do so. Well, fast forward to today, and with my range/park cable issues, I had finally removed the floor in the cab to gain access, and LO! I can see a lot of wiring, AND the area of most damage. the biggest issue right now, is the build up of dirt/grime/**** on top of the transmission/rear end housing. I'm going to use my garden hose (which produces a LOT of pressure) to wash that area out after baling season, and if needed, I'll use a pressure washer. I am a bit worried about the boot over the Range/Park shift vertical shaft, as I don't want to flood the transmission with water, so I'll have to be really careful there once I get it cleaned, I'll start tracing/replacing wires Now, for my first question: what wire gauge is used on the fuel sender? mine quit, and I'm thinking it is the ground, BUT I can't follow the sensing wire to the dash, so it "May" be damaged. IF I need to replace that, is it special? Or can I just use a specific gauge of wire for the Line and Ground? Thanks
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Lynn Marshall Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Dana, Iowa Points: 2284	Post Options Post Reply Quote Lynn Marshall Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 Aug 2024 at 12:55pm
	The wiring is nothing special, just get some that matches what you already have. An owners manual would help alot on the wiring. There's a wiring diagram in the back.

nanuk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 22 Aug 2013 Location: Saskatchewan Points: 257	Post Options Post Reply Quote nanuk Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 Aug 2024 at 1:29pm
	I have a manual somewhere.... it got misplaced with my basement flooded. I'll have to track it down. the online parts schematic has the wiring/colour codes, but not gauges. if I can use a standard 14ga, that'll work for me. is there a source for all the wiring gauges? I may have a few circuits to rebuild. I can find the colour codes, but at a loss for the rest. Thanks
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I M Fedup Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 01 Jul 2020 Location: Winchester Ky Points: 28	Post Options Post Reply Quote I M Fedup Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 Aug 2024 at 6:36pm
	14 gauge is overkill. It's a fuel gauge, not a flood light or heater element. 18 gauge wire is plenty big enough. 21st century tractors get by with miles of 20 and 22 gauge wires for nearly everything. (Not that they're all that great, just making the point)

nanuk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 22 Aug 2013 Location: Saskatchewan Points: 257	Post Options Post Reply Quote nanuk Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 Aug 2024 at 9:47pm
	Thanks I.M.Fedup the reason I was thinking 14ga, was the wire does appear to be a bit stout, AND I assumed resistance plays a part in the accuracy of the gauge. I guess the best way is to try one, and see what 1/2 tank of fuel reads.
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55allis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 30 Jun 2020 Location: Griswold Iowa Points: 710	Post Options Post Reply Quote 55allis Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 Aug 2024 at 12:33pm
	To test the wiring on the sending unit you could ground the “power wire”. Just pull the wire off and touch it to a good ground while looking at the gauge, if I’m thinking right it should go to EMPTY when unhooked and FULL when grounded.
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nanuk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 22 Aug 2013 Location: Saskatchewan Points: 257	Post Options Post Reply Quote nanuk Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 Aug 2024 at 10:21pm
	55Allis You are referring to the wire on the sending unit? Disconnect and ground it should drop my gauge to E Currently my gauge sits just above E, about 1/3 the way to the 1/4 mark Making me think it may be grounded But first, I need to ensure the sending unit is properly grounded I have a couple weeks to play with this as I am done haying, and harvest isn’t for another 2-3 weeks
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55allis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 30 Jun 2020 Location: Griswold Iowa Points: 710	Post Options Post Reply Quote 55allis Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 Aug 2024 at 11:28pm
	Yes Nanuk, that’s what I mean except it should go to full grounded( I did some research). Also try to check the connection on the gauge it’s self. If you look down the tank fill neck how much can you see? Stick a wire or something in the fill hole and figure how much is in it. Edited by 55allis - 05 Aug 2024 at 11:29pm
	1955 AC WD45 diesel with D262 repower, 1949 AC WD45

nanuk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 22 Aug 2013 Location: Saskatchewan Points: 257	Post Options Post Reply Quote nanuk Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 Aug 2024 at 10:10am
	55Allis, thanks, that's great info. I will check in the upcoming days. I'll try to trace all my wiring from sender to gauge, checking continuity. Then I will ground it out, and check the gauge. I have a piece of wood that I dip my tank with, so I have a pretty good idea how much is in there. When I filled to the top, the gauge didn't move. It makes sense that it is stuck on (almost) E if the wire has the insulation burned off and is grounding out in the grime/dirt under the cab. I did run the tank dry once this summer, and the gauge did not move at all. I sure would like to have a working fuel gauge! Thanks for the help. I hope to be able to get to this by the weekend.
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Steve in NJ Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11816	Post Options Post Reply Quote Steve in NJ Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Aug 2024 at 10:16am
	Sending units usually use 18 ga. or 16 ga. wire depending on the length. If its a long run from the gauge to the sender, use 16 gauge. If its under 3 foot, 18 is fine..... Steve@B&B
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nanuk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 22 Aug 2013 Location: Saskatchewan Points: 257	Post Options Post Reply Quote nanuk Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 Aug 2024 at 1:03pm
	Thanks Steve I will keep that in mind when going through this
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