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    Posted: 24 Dec 2011 at 11:18pm
Other than the smaller rad and pump turned down, what are the differences between a 210 and 220? Are the transmission and finals the same?I want a 220 but have found a nice 210 for a "I just want to get rid of it" price. Thanks in advance, Trev.
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There is only about 147o 210s made and about 1800 220's made. 210 also has the harder to find front weights and also the 190 style grill. Rest is all the same if I remember. Look at the future. It is a low production tractor and see where the serial number is at.
 
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210's supposedly had a 4-pad clutch disc while the 220 had a 6-pad disc....not a big deal at all. 210's also had optional 1st/5th speed trans gears and an optional fast low range trans  that early 220's never had available.
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210's had a smaller Rad.      Many (not all) 210's had a stright drawbar bale with out a roller.  210"s had open sided battery box or boxes.  Most 210's had 38" rear wheeles, and you do not see very many without 3pt./PTO, or with a wide swing drawbar.
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I'm just looking at a picture for now, but it has a giant L shaped weight on the front, it has what looks like a "Cozy Cab" with doors and ladders on each side (white with black trim), a nice set of lights on the top. It also appears to have non adjust 20.8-38 singles with dual clamp loops, maybe the duals are lying around some place. It has large 4 rib tires on the front that look O.K.. Tractor has a "Landhandler" decal on the side of the console. The vendor is a province away from where the farm is, the farm is for sale as well, I'm guessing Dad/Grampa passed away, it looks like he is thinking 3K. I'm guessing this tractor would perform a lot like a 7030?  So Dr. Allis, you are saying it may have a Hi/Lo similiar to a 190xt/200? That is really interesting, as if I remember the 220 transmission was very similiar to a D21. My Dad actually demoed a 220 but did'nt like the spread between gears, and bought the cheaper and smaller 190xt III as it suited his operation and pocket book better at the time. Thanks guys.
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No: Thats not  What The Doc. said. 210/220's never had a Hi/Lo range shift that could be shifted on the go, like the 190/200.  Hi/Lo on 210/220's is a mechinical gear change that needs the clutch. In the 1969-1972 model years this was a feature that farmers were looking for and probably would have helped 210/220 sales if they would of had it.
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At 3 k I would buy it in a heartbeat.!!!
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I get it, 4 speed box, 2 speed behind/infront of it. I guess the good news is no worries about a fancy 2 speed shift, clutch pack and all that. Good old reliable simple gears! Thanks guys...Trev.
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Oh forgot to ask, did they only come with 1000 rpm pto, or did they have dual? Thanks, Trev.
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Yup, just the 1000 pto.
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They , some ,had a fast 5th gear for plowing i believe - the only thing about buying it is the tranny and rear gears etc didnt interchange with anything , so if any trouble the part may have to be made
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Originally posted by DougG DougG wrote:

They , some ,had a fast 5th gear for plowing i believe - the only thing about buying it is the tranny and rear gears etc didnt interchange with anything , so if any trouble the part may have to be made

it's actually a slow 1st/5th, option, or a "fast low range". this is the option promoted for plowing, it was introduced when the FWA 220 came out, FWA only runs in low range. My puller 210 has "fast low range", discovered it when doing transmission work. It uses a different trans main shaft and range gear in rearend is also different to mesh with the output gear on mainshaft. The optional slow 1st/5th was available on either 210 or 220 after release of  210, so any 210 may or may not have it, only later 220's could have slow 1/5 after 210 came out. since "fast low range" came when FWA was released, I would think other 220's could have it even before 210 was introduced. Parts books show tooth counts for the standard and optional gears. So really under the different hood/grill, it is the same tractor with a lower fuel injection pump setting.
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Originally posted by DougG DougG wrote:



They , some ,had a fast 5th gear for plowing i believe - the only thing about buying it is the tranny and rear gears etc didnt interchange with anything , so if any trouble the part may have to be made
I had to have the gears for my 210 made since most of them are no longer available. The cost was right around $4500. This wasnt a very common problem with the 210 but mine had a loader on it and was constantly shifting between reverse and 4th.
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trans same as D21.Lot of wrecked parts tractors.Wouldn't give that a second thought.
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Mark Gettinger has lots of good used stock gears.
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You guys had me a little concerned for a minute...I dont think it has had a loader, and it looks like from the other pictures of the macines it did not have an overly difficult life. I'm gonna arrange to go look at it, yake my technical advisor, some tools and diesel and see if we can start it and drive it. It looks like it may not have been run for a while. Thanks for all the info and help, Trev.
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