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190XT Power Director No Neutral
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    Posted: 15 hours 1 minutes ago at 8:40pm
Can someone point me to the manual pages or give me some knowledge on how to make sure the power director is adjusted right? Neutral position acts a lot like low range.
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Might have a warped clutch, or a bad valve... Or linkage not centered? 
Lot of them have clutch drag, until they get warmed up, some have it even after getting hot, very few will have no drag when cold.
 Our first XT bought back in 1975 had all new parts in rearend (harden axles too), transmission, and two speed. It got used on the plow, disc and extensively on the round baler... and now going on 50 years, the tranny starting to jump out of 4th and the high range slips under heavy load. The hand clutch was awesome while the other 190 and XT would not sit still, had to use the brakes to stop them. Tried to adjust the linkage on the one  and the other has problems in the clutch pack.
 Sure hope when the clutches get replaced in the slipping XT, that it doesn't start creeping or drag in neutral like the others do. A dragging 2 spd. clutch can be a real pain to deal with... if you put them on the round baler and need to step the foot clutch in every time you go to shift the transmission.Angry
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Warped or broken discs and plates can cause this. Bent ears on the clutch pistons can also contribute to it. Nothing you can really do from the outside. Your perception may also be a true neutral and with hydraulic oil temps less than 140 to 160 degrees, there usually isn't a good neutral. You got 9 driving discs flooded in oil causing drag and yes, it does still feel like low range. If it pulls a load in both ranges and doesn't slip, I'd do nothing. Cold oil temps are the most likely culprit.
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It's strong enough the brakes barely hold it back. Haven't hooked it up to a real load to test. I'm used to my D15, where even cold "neutral" can be achieved with light brake pressure.

I was hoping there was some gate or valve release pressure or something I could dial back just slightly to get it to lighten up in neutral.

Thanks! If I have issues pulling I'll be back. I saw another thread about power director repairs I'll look through too.
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They will ALWAYS creep the least when in road gear. They will ALWAYS creep the most in low gear. It's a mechanical advantage thing........
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Im going from memory from a long time ago but i think if it was mine id get some pressure guages and make sure the linkage is adjusted so theres no pressure on either clutch when the handle in in the center position. If i rember right theres ports in the valve for that purpose. Then youd know if its in the clutch itself or if it acually partially engaged
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Originally posted by 8070nc 8070nc wrote:

Im going from memory from a long time ago but i think if it was mine id get some pressure guages and make sure the linkage is adjusted so theres no pressure on either clutch when the handle in in the center position. If i rember right theres ports in the valve for that purpose. Then youd know if its in the clutch itself or if it acually partially engaged

I was thinking there should be something like this, but I couldn't find the manual pages for it. I'll poke around. 

Like Doc says there's always some slippage, but I'm not confident leaving it in gear and using the brakes and getting out. Which I am confident in my D15 doing that, and my Diesel 190XT. Just this Gasser.
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