190XT Fuel Line Issue

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   I was moving a round bale on a hillside and I slowly heard my engine die and run out of fuel.  I had this happen years ago and I then dug into the fuel lines, replaced the bowls, removed the crud that I could get to and have been fine, until now.  I seemed to have a stoppage somewhere but it is a bit of a mystery.  

My original fuel lines were removed and replaced with rubber hoses so I have a rig job.  I know somewhere under the platform, the two lines coming from the sediment bowls intersect into a single line that goes to the fuel primer block.  I removed the easier to get to sediment bowl and I have fuel coming out of it.  I disconnected the fuel line from that bowl and disconnected the line going into the fuel primer block.  I then stuck an air hose in the fuel line and thought it would blow out whatever was stuck towards the fuel primer.  Instead, I heard a lot of gurgling in the tank which surprised me and meant my air was going back towards the tank and not towards the primer block.  I did see fuel splashed on the primer block but after reconnecting the line to the sediment bowl, no fuel would run out of the line.  It is almost like there is something lodged after the Y in the fuel lines.  My primer did get tight after this but after trying to start the tractor, prime went away and I couldn't re-prime it tight.  I purchased a new primer and plunger 2 years ago so that is not it.

I need to once and for all fix these fuel lines correctly.  I bought a used tank last year and the guys gave me an original fuel line.  I bought the tank not because of fuel issue but because mine has a dent in it.  I am hoping to redo it all this winter, however, I need to move it now.  I would prefer to work on the tractor in the barn.  Threading the fuel lines looks quite difficult without removing the platform plates.

Can I attach a 5 gallon fuel jug with a rubber fuel line coming out of the bottom to the primer block and bypass all of the fuel lines just to get the tractor back to the barn where I can work on it?  Seems like guys have done this with many old tractors that had rusty gas tanks.  i assume diesel will work the same?

Any ideas appreciated.  Thanks.

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calico190xt68 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Jan 2017 Location: Frankton, IN Points: 870	Post Options Post Reply Quote calico190xt68 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: 190XT Fuel Line Issue Posted: 20 Oct 2022 at 2:27pm
	I was moving a round bale on a hillside and I slowly heard my engine die and run out of fuel. I had this happen years ago and I then dug into the fuel lines, replaced the bowls, removed the crud that I could get to and have been fine, until now. I seemed to have a stoppage somewhere but it is a bit of a mystery. My original fuel lines were removed and replaced with rubber hoses so I have a rig job. I know somewhere under the platform, the two lines coming from the sediment bowls intersect into a single line that goes to the fuel primer block. I removed the easier to get to sediment bowl and I have fuel coming out of it. I disconnected the fuel line from that bowl and disconnected the line going into the fuel primer block. I then stuck an air hose in the fuel line and thought it would blow out whatever was stuck towards the fuel primer. Instead, I heard a lot of gurgling in the tank which surprised me and meant my air was going back towards the tank and not towards the primer block. I did see fuel splashed on the primer block but after reconnecting the line to the sediment bowl, no fuel would run out of the line. It is almost like there is something lodged after the Y in the fuel lines. My primer did get tight after this but after trying to start the tractor, prime went away and I couldn't re-prime it tight. I purchased a new primer and plunger 2 years ago so that is not it. I need to once and for all fix these fuel lines correctly. I bought a used tank last year and the guys gave me an original fuel line. I bought the tank not because of fuel issue but because mine has a dent in it. I am hoping to redo it all this winter, however, I need to move it now. I would prefer to work on the tractor in the barn. Threading the fuel lines looks quite difficult without removing the platform plates. Can I attach a 5 gallon fuel jug with a rubber fuel line coming out of the bottom to the primer block and bypass all of the fuel lines just to get the tractor back to the barn where I can work on it? Seems like guys have done this with many old tractors that had rusty gas tanks. i assume diesel will work the same? Any ideas appreciated. Thanks.
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injpumpEd Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Walnut IL Points: 5097	Post Options Post Reply Quote injpumpEd Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 Oct 2022 at 3:35pm
	yes, a temporary tank can be used.
	210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!

DougG Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 20 Sep 2009 Location: Mo Points: 8355	Post Options Post Reply Quote DougG Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 20 Oct 2022 at 6:30pm
	Id get a5 gallon tank and low flo electric fuel pump , should work good, electric fuel pump will keep the fuel to it

calico190xt68 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Jan 2017 Location: Frankton, IN Points: 870	Post Options Post Reply Quote calico190xt68 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 21 Oct 2022 at 8:15am
	That electric fuel pump is something I don't have and would take some extra time to get. I thought I could do gravity flow by putting the 5 gallon jug on the hood. I have a plastic shutoff valve to install into the bottom of the 5 gallon jug so I can turn on and off. The kind they use on generators. That's the plan over the weekend anyway. I went back and looked at the diagram on the fuel lines in parts book and I noticed that the factory way of hooking them up is to send a fuel line from the right side back to the left side by running it along the underneath back side of the tank. Then there is only one line going from the left side to the primer block. I am not sure why the last guy decided to deviate from this setup and do a Y connector underneath the platform. I feel like ripping out all of the rubber hoses and doing it more like the factory. My guess is that I have something plugging up the Y connector at this point. When I disconnect at the primer pump I get no fuel flow. I would think fuel should be running out if both sediment bowls are clear of debris. I know the right side is clear. Going to find out about the left side over the weekend.
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injpumpEd Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Walnut IL Points: 5097	Post Options Post Reply Quote injpumpEd Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 21 Oct 2022 at 8:23am
	gravity is fine! You can even go directly to pump inlet if you ensure you're using a clean tank and filtered fuel. You aren't running it long this way, just diagnosis and temporary to move tractor. It will be fine. I'd go to inlet of filter if possible though. The reason there's 2 tank outlets is in case of leaning there will always be fuel available. That tractor doesn't necessarily need 2 tank outlets for volume lol! You could rig up without the y to temporarily run it also.
	210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!

calico190xt68 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Jan 2017 Location: Frankton, IN Points: 870	Post Options Post Reply Quote calico190xt68 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 21 Oct 2022 at 9:02am
	Ed, you make a good point. I could run a temporary rubber fuel hose from the known good sediment bowl right to the primer block and see what happens. I honestly think that the other sediment bowl has some gunk, otherwise, I wouldn't have run out of fuel on the hill. I will just have to keep it off of hills until I can fix it right.
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injpumpEd Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Walnut IL Points: 5097	Post Options Post Reply Quote injpumpEd Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 21 Oct 2022 at 9:05am
	hill only a problem if fuel is low in tank lol!
	210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!