160 3 point won’t raise

I will look at my manuals when I get home from work.

1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD

I’m sorry, the pic turned sideways

1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD

You said without a good dipstick? What do you mean by that? The dip stick is attached to the filler plug? If you don’t have a dipstick attached to it then good chance its in your trans tearing stuff up.

1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD

The plug you want has a square inward head, my 3/8 ratchet wrench fits right into it so you can loosen it and tighten it with it. When you unscrew it the dip stick is attached to it. Dipstick is probably 10” long I’m guessing. If its low, your pump may have lost its prime. I would change fluids and filters first if it has been over 300 hours. There is also a hydraulic/transmission screen that needs to be cleaned. It is in front of the seat to the right. Remove 4 nuts that hold the cap and remove it. Gently pull the screen out and clean it in solvent. Also a magnet attached to the cap, clean any metal fragments from it. These small things to do will most likely have you working again.

1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD

My cousin has a 160. Hydraulics seem to be one of the weak points. When the hydraulic pump gets worn, they have to prime the system often. They have replaced the hydraulic pump several times.

The high mark on the stick is 9.25 from the head on the plug, low mark 10.25.

If you have a hex head plug of some sort, then the original got lost.

I think there was the Basic model 160 that didn't have this dipstick, but instead had

a horizontal plug, perhaps under the right foot board.

That cap with magnet has a gasket and 4 studs & nuts. This is an air seal, if the gasket is not good, it can suck air and loose prime.

Follow the large diameter suction pipe to the pump, it is split near the middle. They use a rubber connector hose with wire clamps. This was the reason mine was losing prime. I cleaned it, and tightened the clamps. This has been good for many years now.

Prior to that I was looking up prices on new pumps, so whew, a zero dollar fix.

Also, when it did lose prime, before I fixed the air leak, I had to remove the plug at the pumps high pressure output to bleed out the air. This got me going until I shut down for some time. High pressure hydraulic fluid is dangerous. Will shoot out 10 feet, and it happens guickly.

Thanks Charlie for the video link. In typical Allis fashion, they had numerous One-Sixty/160

hydraulic configurations. So there is a large hex plug for filling only on some models.

Also I mentioned a gasket on that metal cap with the magnet. You can see it is really an o-ring. Not talking about the o-ring in the top end of the plastic strainer.

With my tractor, cleaning the plastic strainer and filling properly with oil did not fix my issues.

Did you lose all hydraulics or just the 3 point won't lift?

Had a 160 for about 20 years, never had a problem with the 3 point lift system, but did have the main hydraulic filter mostly plug up. The filter is located in a metal housing laying horizontal underneath the fuel tank on the right side of tractor. I believe you have to remove a side panel to access. Should be a hex head on the filter housing cap that you need to remove. I not longer have the 160 so I can't go out and check.

I think they made a couple variations of the filter, but the one I had was made out of thin metal fins and was washable. I used mineral spirits and compressed air to clean. Hydraulics worked fine for many years after that.

D15D, D17G, 170G, 175D, and two 5050FWA

What Renault model was the 160 based on? 56?

Charlie

'48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD

That is what appears to be some paint flakes in the bottom, guessing. Cleaned right up.

1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD

Victoryallis, have you found the problem yet?

1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD

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	I lowered my lift arms for something and now they won go back up. I added oil but without a good dipstick it’s just a guess. What to look at next? Edited by victoryallis - 14 Jun 2021 at 10:12am
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	I will look at my manuals when I get home from work.
	1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD

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	My user manual shows to remove the hydraulic/transmission screen to clean every 200 hours. Oil Filter at the right front of the tractor should be replaced along with the oil every 300 hours. Takes 29 quarts of AC 106 transmission/hydraulic oil. I would do that service first and see if that resolves you issue, if not let me know. Drain plugs are at the rear of the tractor underneath the transmission and hydraulic systems.
	1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD

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	I’m sorry, the pic turned sideways
	1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD

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	The dip stick is to the right of the gear shift, I’m sure you may already know that. 3/8” wrachet fits it.
	1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD

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	You said without a good dipstick? What do you mean by that? The dip stick is attached to the filler plug? If you don’t have a dipstick attached to it then good chance its in your trans tearing stuff up.
	1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD

victoryallis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 15 Apr 2010 Location: Ludington mi Points: 2855	Post Options Post Reply Quote victoryallis Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 Jun 2021 at 9:46pm
	I checked by the large hex head plug on top. Did I do it wrong?
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	The plug you want has a square inward head, my 3/8 ratchet wrench fits right into it so you can loosen it and tighten it with it. When you unscrew it the dip stick is attached to it. Dipstick is probably 10” long I’m guessing. If its low, your pump may have lost its prime. I would change fluids and filters first if it has been over 300 hours. There is also a hydraulic/transmission screen that needs to be cleaned. It is in front of the seat to the right. Remove 4 nuts that hold the cap and remove it. Gently pull the screen out and clean it in solvent. Also a magnet attached to the cap, clean any metal fragments from it. These small things to do will most likely have you working again.
	1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD

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	The sideways pic I posted earlier is the screen that I am referring to
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	My cousin has a 160. Hydraulics seem to be one of the weak points. When the hydraulic pump gets worn, they have to prime the system often. They have replaced the hydraulic pump several times.

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	The high mark on the stick is 9.25 from the head on the plug, low mark 10.25. If you have a hex head plug of some sort, then the original got lost. I think there was the Basic model 160 that didn't have this dipstick, but instead had a horizontal plug, perhaps under the right foot board. That cap with magnet has a gasket and 4 studs & nuts. This is an air seal, if the gasket is not good, it can suck air and loose prime. Follow the large diameter suction pipe to the pump, it is split near the middle. They use a rubber connector hose with wire clamps. This was the reason mine was losing prime. I cleaned it, and tightened the clamps. This has been good for many years now. Prior to that I was looking up prices on new pumps, so whew, a zero dollar fix. Also, when it did lose prime, before I fixed the air leak, I had to remove the plug at the pumps high pressure output to bleed out the air. This got me going until I shut down for some time. High pressure hydraulic fluid is dangerous. Will shoot out 10 feet, and it happens guickly.

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	Not sure if this helps any https://youtu.be/pvdu92tT2pw
	Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD

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	Thanks Charlie for the video link. In typical Allis fashion, they had numerous One-Sixty/160 hydraulic configurations. So there is a large hex plug for filling only on some models. Also I mentioned a gasket on that metal cap with the magnet. You can see it is really an o-ring. Not talking about the o-ring in the top end of the plastic strainer. With my tractor, cleaning the plastic strainer and filling properly with oil did not fix my issues.

Charlie175 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Shenandoah, VA Points: 6351	Post Options Post Reply Quote Charlie175 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 Jun 2021 at 9:16am
	His strainer was junky!
	Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD

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	Did you lose all hydraulics or just the 3 point won't lift? Had a 160 for about 20 years, never had a problem with the 3 point lift system, but did have the main hydraulic filter mostly plug up. The filter is located in a metal housing laying horizontal underneath the fuel tank on the right side of tractor. I believe you have to remove a side panel to access. Should be a hex head on the filter housing cap that you need to remove. I not longer have the 160 so I can't go out and check. I think they made a couple variations of the filter, but the one I had was made out of thin metal fins and was washable. I used mineral spirits and compressed air to clean. Hydraulics worked fine for many years after that.
	D15D, D17G, 170G, 175D, and two 5050FWA

AC720Man Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 10 Oct 2016 Location: Shenandoah, Va Points: 4635	Post Options Post Reply Quote AC720Man Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 Jun 2021 at 10:50am
	Good job finding a video Charlie. Differences in the location of checking the oil on a One Sixty and 160 series is surprising. Never would have thought it originally did not have a dip stick. Being new to this model, I am enjoying this thread to learn more about it. Some good advice handed out. Video shows what happens when poor maintenance practices catch up with ya. Edited by AC720Man - 16 Jun 2021 at 10:51am
	1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD

Charlie175 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Shenandoah, VA Points: 6351	Post Options Post Reply Quote Charlie175 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 Jun 2021 at 11:07am
	What Renault model was the 160 based on? 56?
	Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD

AC720Man Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 10 Oct 2016 Location: Shenandoah, Va Points: 4635	Post Options Post Reply Quote AC720Man Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 Jun 2021 at 7:44pm
	Have to do some research on that. AC had very little info on these tractors as they were only from 1970-75. Production stopped because of the price increases from France. So I came home and wanted to check my screen and it was very clean which did not surprise me because of the previous owners maintenance schedule. Some tiny metal shavings which stuck to the magnetic and little bit on the screen. No other foreign matter.
	1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD

AC720Man Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 10 Oct 2016 Location: Shenandoah, Va Points: 4635	Post Options Post Reply Quote AC720Man Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 Jun 2021 at 7:46pm
	That is what appears to be some paint flakes in the bottom, guessing. Cleaned right up.
	1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD

BrianC Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 16 Jun 2011 Location: New York Points: 1613	Post Options Post Reply Quote BrianC Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 Jun 2021 at 8:33pm
	I think it was based off the Renault R56 (Renault code 7251). Not 100% on that 7251, there were a series of R5x tractors. The One Sixty tractor was Renault code 7301. You can look through tractor websites in Europe for info on R56. Google can translate somewhat. Talk of 3pt issues.

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	Victoryallis, have you found the problem yet?
	1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD