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Kurzy 
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Posted: 01 Apr 2018 at 6:44am |
Howdy, Are the front grills for the 100 series Allis Chalmers the same size? If not which are the same?
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DSeries4
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Posted: 01 Apr 2018 at 6:49am |
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170 and 175 are the same. 180, 185, 190 and 200 are the same SIZE but not necessarily the same design - early 190 bar grille or 200 pleated mesh grille. They will all fit, but not always correct.
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Kurzy
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Posted: 01 Apr 2018 at 6:54am |
Howdy DSeries4, Well that makes it a lot harder to find a grill for a one seventy I just purchased!
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DSeries4
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Posted: 02 Apr 2018 at 2:58am |
 Kurzy wrote:
Howdy DSeries4, Well that makes it a lot harder to find a grill for a one seventy I just purchased!
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I have a good one that came off a 170 diesel that I could sell. Distance could be an issue though seeing you are in Montana. If it helps, I can bring it to the orange spectacular in Minnesota in July.
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CaseyCreek
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Posted: 02 Apr 2018 at 10:24am |
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I don't know of a harder part to replace for the 100 series than the grill. I have been trying to replace the one for my 185 since 2013. I have found a couple which were barely above junk status, but I have yet to get my hands on a good one.
I hope you have better luck.
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injpumpEd
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Posted: 02 Apr 2018 at 12:53pm |
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Someone like Luke needs to start making the grills. They would sell quite well if you could make them at an affordable enough price.
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Luke R.
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Posted: 02 Apr 2018 at 3:24pm |
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Affordable price. Lmao. Not possible with that piece Ed. I would love to be able to remake those grills!
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Posted: 02 Apr 2018 at 6:00pm |
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I work in a tool and die shop I had talked to the foreman about making grills . I know we could but the dies would be very high priced. If we had a good vender we could build them. We have 2- 100 ton presses it could be done . Also we would need some good grills to make a pattern ! Right now its slow it would be a good time !
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BrianC
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Posted: 02 Apr 2018 at 6:12pm |
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Luke,
I don't have a 170, but they sort of look like the one on my 160. Not an easy part.
What do you think the selling price would be for a 170 grill.
Formed steel, primer finish.
Assume you got 15 orders.
I am just curious, being in aerospace manufacturing. And it concerns me that nobody makes grills or gas tanks for our Allis tractors.
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Unit3
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Posted: 02 Apr 2018 at 7:59pm |
DSeries4 wrote:
170 and 175 are the same. 180, 185, 190 and 200 are the same SIZE but not necessarily the same design - early 190 bar grille or 200 pleated mesh grille. They will all fit, but not always correct.
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Is a 210 the same size as a 180 - 200?
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Tracy Martin TN
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Posted: 02 Apr 2018 at 9:19pm |
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Reproducing it and reproducing it like originals is two different animals. Neither is cheap, and most will not pay for them. JMHO Tracy
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Posted: 02 Apr 2018 at 9:55pm |
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I think a 210 is the same size but it has the extra plate added on the bottom.
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FREEDGUY
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Posted: 02 Apr 2018 at 10:18pm |
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According to PARTS BOOK,there are only 2 matching part #'s for the grill, 180 and "some" 190's (different grill pattern that has already been mentioned). A 175, 200,210 and 220 have their own # with the 220 requiring 2 parts to make the entire "shell" which also has extra lower wings along the bottom heading back towards the engine . A 170 has the same # as a 175
Edited by FREEDGUY - 02 Apr 2018 at 11:19pm
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Luke R.
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Posted: 03 Apr 2018 at 6:07am |
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Let’s say each half of the die costs $50000. Just a rough guess, that would be $100000 just in the dies alone not including set up fees and materials. I like the idea a lot but i sell new parts everyday and most people appreciate it but some can’t believe the price. So if a guy asked $1500 for a grill how many do you think he would sell!?
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Posted: 03 Apr 2018 at 6:17am |
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It would be more economical to take your bad, run over grill to a professional body shop.
Edited by Lonn - 03 Apr 2018 at 6:18am
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Posted: 03 Apr 2018 at 10:49am |
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Casey Creek...I just sold one today (4/3/18) for the 180/185 for 450.00 and it was a very nice original...not a fiberglass grill. They're very hard to come by! Rick
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CaseyCreek
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Posted: 03 Apr 2018 at 11:46am |
Rick wrote:
Casey Creek...I just sold one today (4/3/18) for the 180/185 for 450.00 and it was a very nice original...not a fiberglass grill. They're very hard to come by! Rick |
At least you were able to provide someone with a proper grill. I had a super nice grill on mine but it was pulled off by some vines when I was clearing brush with a rotary cutter. What was left could not be repaired.
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Posted: 03 Apr 2018 at 12:06pm |
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I think I need to put an extra lock on my 185 so it can't fall off no matter what...
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Posted: 03 Apr 2018 at 1:18pm |
I was using a couple of zip ties, but then it came to be a bit of a hassle when I checked the air cleaner, so I stopped using them. I now just drill a small hole in the grill at the top and use a self threading screw to hold it. Doesn't really hurt anything and it stays just fine. I also adjust the clamps on each side and make them SNAP some and have had no problems at all and I use mine to brush hog all the time. Casey Creek...I guess what I was trying to point out to you, was that you just missed a real good grill for your tractor...I found out that the grills are NOT CHEAP! I had to purchase a total of 7 grills over a four year period and they ranged from 400.00 to 550.00! That's a lot of dough, just for a grill! LOL!
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Posted: 03 Apr 2018 at 9:52pm |
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I was lucky and was able to repair my grill for my 190xt. I thought it had too much rust at the bottom to be repaired. A friend of mine was able to safe it by cutting out the bad metal and weilding in new metal. It turned out very well. I searched for a grill for 2 months before giving up. Found 1 for $600! I passed as it needed some metal work as well.
I removed the latches and filled the holes. Wielded a 10” strip down both sides on the inside of the grill sides. Drilled 2 holes on each side of the side panel wings and tapped the strip to accept 1/4x20 bolts. Nice smooth look and no more chances of it falling off and getting run over. Not factory, but a better way to secure the precious grill.
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