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 Posted: 04 Apr 2020 at 10:54pm |
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Hey Chris, could I just take one off a parts machine, box it up and send it your way? I need to go through one for the wide-front but this looks time consuming. I could pay with firewood, though shipping would likely be impractical!
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Mike, This wasn't as bad as I thought it would be! I had maybe 8 hours playing with it. Probably took me longer to document it on here than to do the work! Not sure I am into rebuilding them yet or ever, but there could be a need just like clutches. Sandy Lake is refurbing these. They probably put in a new shift lever and new side pins which could be $120 in parts. Regards, Chris
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Posted: 04 Apr 2020 at 10:58pm |
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That small pin thru the rail is called an interlock pin. It sees to it only one rail can move out of neutral. |
Dr, Thank you! The books and other information mention it but just dont have good pictures of the inner workings of the interlock. Its a great system. I am going to test on this old 45 in the next day or so to see if I have made some improvements! Regards, Chris
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Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 6:45am |
As always, Chris, great documentation - and some very clever ideas for repairing the worn parts. Thanks again for all the pictures and explanations. Very glad to read that the refurbed shifter is working nicely. 
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Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 7:38am |
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Another great thread that will help many as the years go by, thanks Chris!
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Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 9:29am |
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SteveM, I wished I would have done the research on that more prior to getting this tower back on. I assume the notch in the lug can be re-positioned to allow for more engagement in the sliding collar in the tranny? Please add those details here too, if you have them. Regards, Chris |
That's correct. With tower bolted down,shift to 3rd then see it you can push lever deeper into gear from detent. Likely so and it will spring back to detent. So,you weld and grind to move the detent notch. How much? Well just enough to get full engagement without it pushing fork on collar....fork riding collar as it were. That would cause wear. You get to Invision how much that movement is at the fork. Good luck!
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Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 10:08am |
Dave, Mike, Steve, Folks, Thanks for the support and comments! I will try to test that 3rd gear shift collar thing. Unfortunately unless I did something wrong, or something else has a issue I don't plan on taking this back apart soon:). I like that idea especially if there is wear on the engagement parts. I am not sure how to calculate the amount to move the botch in the lug? Seems like it would be tough??
But what I did learn is that if you have the tower off for some reason, it's a good time to evaluate the condition, and maybe make it std practice to do a tear down and inspection. Kind of like doing carb work, most old tractors can use some TLC in important areas. These shift towers are the things that get used all the time when the tractor is in normal operations.
Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 05 Apr 2020 at 10:13am
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Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 3:40pm |
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This is pretty incredible. I know I have shifter problems pretty bad on one of my WDs, and I should really deep dive into it.
Did you build these all up with mig wire and then dremel them to dimension? Very impressive.
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Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 7:08pm |
GG, Folks, I have a welding problem, I will admit to that! I come buy it honestly. My dad taught me to stick weld with a old Lincoln welder 60 years ago. And my uncle welded everything to fix it. I got the welding gene too. I do try to restrain my self but sometimes it is the right way. So yes I welded the lugs and shift lever and then used a die grinder with the 2 inch screw on sanding discs to finish back close to what it may have been when new. Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 05 Apr 2020 at 9:29pm
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Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 9:10pm |
Folks, Update on the shift tower repairs and function. (Put all the items back together/ on the tractor this morning) Cheryl and I took the 45 and trailer down the yard to pick up the trimmed branches from the apple trees. I used first and second gear. First gear engagement needs to have the engine turn the transmission just a little to engage. Seems like that's about how its going to be. Second gear is very smooth to engage. The whole feel of the shifting is smooth and crisp. Very little movement in the shift lever.
On the way back to the house, I got out in the road and got into third and then sliped into fourth gear with out effort. Very smooth! Into the drive and stopped and shifted easy back into third. No issues! Shifter felt solid and stayed in position with no slopping around. When I got the trailer un hooked I tested reverse and the spring loaded "keep out tab" worked very good. Was able to over come the spring and engage reverse easily and smoothly.
I also tried to push the shift lever more forward when in third gear and did not have any additional movement. Now the shift lever might have been up against the custom washer below the snap ring?
All in all, I am happy with the WD45 shift tower repairs. Thanks for watching! If I can help let me know. Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 05 Apr 2020 at 9:20pm
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Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 11:09pm |
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CHRIS!! YOU CAN HELP...... send me your address and I'll send mine over to you and you can share another experience.
NICE work again as usual and GREAT picture taking again as usual. You da man!! Were you a mechanic in a prior life?
Seriously, one of my 45s is REALLY bad and needs to get it looked at one of these days. This thread is going to really help when I get the gumption to start in on it. I guess I'm going to have to go buy an engine repair stand as I don't have one. I just always used a chain hoist.
You've got a bunch of "atta boys" coming on this one now. I'll bet Don is grinning.
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Posted: 06 Apr 2020 at 6:50am |
Chris, it's great to hear that the shifter checked out well! Nice work as always, and thanks for the pictures. Like Ted, I may have to get into my WD45 shifter at some point. Right now it works, but there are times I have to speak to it. 
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Posted: 06 Apr 2020 at 10:53am |
Folks, I am glad this thread has gained some interest. I remember my Dad working on a 45 shifter that had jumped out of gear, or was locked. That was in the mid 60's so the tractors were about 10 year old then. This has to be one of the most used and abused items on these old tractors. Now that I have done one I think the cost of a rebuilt shift tower from Sandy Lake at $400 ish is not too bad!:) Regards, Chris
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Posted: 01 Jul 2020 at 8:53am |
Going to piggyback on Chris's thread here a little; Got some time yesterday and cleaned up the shifter going on my 45 in the power steering thread. I think it's in pretty good shape other than the slot in the shift lever. Going to weld it up a bit and file it back to fit the new pin. Pin is on order. You can see in the top picture I've got a broken battery box bolt to get removed, yeah. I've heated it with the torch already, will see how hard it fights coming out!
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Posted: 07 Jul 2020 at 2:52pm |
So I got the 'oversize' pin from Agco. It fits pretty darn good, not even going to weld up the slot. I did have to drill out the hole in the tower for it. The round dimension is 1/32" oversize too. Wow did that tighten things up. Somewhere I've got a drawing with the ball on the bottom end with dimensions on it, think mine is fine but will compare before final assembly.
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Posted: 07 Jul 2020 at 9:20pm |
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Glad I seen this post, been a handful of years since I last rebuilt one of these. The current WD I’m working on the lever slides right through the tower. The ball is really worn, ordered a new lever, it’s one the way, but with a new lever should it still fall through? Or can it only go so far? Seen Chris mention the socket can get worn. I’m guessing that’s what wrongs, because my tower just looks like a smooth bore
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Posted: 07 Jul 2020 at 9:46pm |
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I have a new shifter I got from Steiner but haven't tried to hold it side by side with the old one yet... Curious what I'll find. I already had an oversized pin put in my tower and it helped (back about 20 years ago), but I still have issues shifting... The clutch is probably about shot, too... Curious your results, Carl.
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Posted: 13 Jul 2020 at 10:34am |
Worked on this thing a little this morning, just a spot of weld on the lever itself and a few minutes with a 6 inch flat file and that new pin fits great. Always seem to get the pictures out of order.
I'm liking my tig-welder a WHOLE lot better now. Found a setting for 'remote' which gives you variable control of the heat as opposed to 'local' which runs at what ever the machine is set at.
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Posted: 19 Jul 2020 at 6:15am |
Finally got this thing wrapped up yesterday! Finding the 5/16" welsh plug for the pin was not easy. Parts man saved me again, thanks Reed! It was rather an epic battle getting the thing apart, went back together easier but did not work. Took a lot of trial and error getting the tractor and shifter in 2nd gear. I remember reading that on here at some point. Because the thing was stuck in first when it came apart it caused some confusion!
The tower that came off had the two pin set-up on the lever, pins and lever in great shape. Holes for the pins in the tower egged out something terrible. For some reason this one had no plug on either side, think that contributed to the wear. I think it is beyond repair. Going to keep it for parts only.
I swear I'm going to leave this tractor alone and just use it for awhile! It's been down for one project or another for almost a year now.
Really is a good feeling when it's back together and works like it should.
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Posted: 19 Jul 2020 at 11:16am |
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Congratulations, Mike, on winning the war! Great thread - thanks to Chris, you and all the others for your work posting information to it. I'm hoping I don't lose track of it as I expect that that the shift tower in my WD45 will be needing something similar soon.
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Posted: 19 Jul 2020 at 12:20pm |
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Congrats on conquering it! What kind of "plugs" are you talking about in the shift tower?
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Posted: 19 Jul 2020 at 5:11pm |
Mike, Great that you got the shift tower repaired. I really like how mine now shifts! I can see you have done a lot of work on this 45. About time to take it down and paint that old girl! Its ready now. I have never tried to tig weld. They say its a little tough to learn? Regards, Chris
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Posted: 19 Jul 2020 at 5:39pm |
Carl(NWWI) wrote:
Glad I seen this post, been a handful of years since I last rebuilt one of these. The current WD I’m working on the lever slides right through the tower. The ball is really worn, ordered a new lever, it’s one the way, but with a new lever should it still fall through? Or can it only go so far? Seen Chris mention the socket can get worn. I’m guessing that’s what wrongs, because my tower just looks like a smooth bore |
Carl, Were you able to get your tower repaired? Post some pictures, maybe someone can help. I have not seen one worn so bad that the shifter fell through! Hope that new shifter helps fix the problem. Wow! Regards, Chris
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Posted: 20 Jul 2020 at 7:31am |
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I have several towers on the shelf with worn sockets. I would like to know if that can be repaired. Insert maybe? There is not much casting material in that area.
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Posted: 20 Jul 2020 at 8:14am |
Thanks guys. It really does feel good to have that one behind me.
My verbiage was off a tad. It is a 'Welch' plug not welsh, though that is probably close enough people know what you want. Here's a link, https://www.google.com/search?q=welch+plug&client=firefox-b-1&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjjpaKb79vqAhUFAp0JHWf_BBkQ_AUoAnoE
Edit; I thought that link was hot. Apparently not, just copy and paste.
The plug is on the top of the tower, seals the hole for the pin. To use the oversize pin you have to take it out for the drilling process. My old tower had none on either side.
Lon, the oversize pin has a 9/32" shank as opposed to the 1/4" on the original. I think the easiest way to gauge them would be with drill bits. Gauge pins would be great but who's got a set at home?
Chris, I'm getting closer to being ready for a real paint job. Still have a few things I want to address before doing it. A leaky seal in the front end is one such thing. Also have NOS parts for the snap-coupler I would like to get installed. A while back I tried to get that apart and the pin wouldn't come out, gave up pretty easy on it at the time. I'll use the hot knife next time if need be!
I had to drag out the power washer to clean up the combine yesterday, like to get my 'moneys-worth' out of that so I washed three tractors and the 782. Here's a shot of the 45 and the 185.
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I was looking for a fix for the worn casting. When the rails are out I can move the shift lever all the way through the casting. There is no socket left for the shift lever to sit on.
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Posted: 20 Jul 2020 at 2:35pm |
Chris, you already know how to weld so learning to tig wouldn't be a big deal.
Some tips from trial and error; 1. Make things as clean as humanly possible! 2. Keep the tungsten close to the puddle but not in. 3. Keep the tungsten sharp. It will weld dull but not well.
I learned to tig while working at Maytag. I think we had about 50 toolmakers that had access to the weld booth. Usually when you went in there the tungsten was in sad shape so I kept my own in my toolbox. Saved a lot of time.
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Posted: 20 Jul 2020 at 2:37pm |
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Lon, with the volume of parts you have I can't believe you're keeping them. I'm sure a repair could be effected but might be a lot of work for a part that's not uncommon.
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Posted: 20 Jul 2020 at 7:30pm |
IBWD MIke wrote:
I learned to tig while working at Maytag. I think we had about 50 toolmakers that had access to the weld booth. Usually when you went in there the tungsten was in sad shape so I kept my own in my toolbox. Saved a lot of time.
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I learned to tig weld when I was working die repair years ago. Once anyone found out I could weld, they forgot how to and came to me to fix things for them. One thing I never did was tig weld aluminum. I tried for about 15 seconds once, when a co worker was trying to show a few guys how to do it, but I had been away from a tig for many years, and I just couldn't control the foot pedal well enough to make a puddle, without blowing a hole in the part.  
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Posted: 20 Jul 2020 at 8:55pm |
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Well Mike, I'm glad to see you're keeping out of trouble and fixing things. NICE pics of your tractors.
Chris, thanks for this thread,,,,,,I've got a really bad one on a 45 that I have to dig into and these pics will work out just fine!
Did you get a CA yet?
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Posted: 20 Jul 2020 at 10:03pm |
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Just went back and re-read a couple of things and I noticed that you (Chris) are covering up your camper. Tractors sit out and the camper........must have just been fro the day and the picture? LOL
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