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Value of very rough non running 220 FWA |
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ToddSin NY
Orange Level Joined: 08 Nov 2009 Location: Newark,NY Points: 1034 |
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Did they use the same front axle as Oliver? The front axle looks alot like the one on dads 2255.
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JayIN
Orange Level Joined: 18 Dec 2009 Location: SE/IN Points: 1982 |
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AMEN, BROTHER!
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sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?"
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TerryMN
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Rochester MN Points: 201 |
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I have found in life a big ole bucket of banded $100 bills right in the guys face cures a lot of sentimemtal value. You just have to be willing to part with the big ole bucket of money.
Roger Welsch once had a test to see if you were fit to be a tractor collector. He said you find your self a bushel basket. Drive to your bank have them fill it with money lots of money. Then drive to the highest spot you know of on a windy day. Throw the basket in the air several times till all of the money blew away. If this did not bother you at all; you will make a great tractor collector.
Terry
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Glockhead SWMI
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: South West Mich Points: 2657 |
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I dont want to sound to negative but I hate owners like that. It sure looks like it means a lot to him.... just a hint of sarcasm....
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mm1468
Bronze Level Joined: 03 Jan 2013 Location: washington Points: 24 |
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I talked to owner and he said that he does not want to sell it since it is the first tractor he ever bought new. He appreciated my sons interest in it but the had a lot of sentimental value to he and his dad. He said he has been wanting to get it moved to their shop for years but just hasn't got to it. I will keep my eye on it though.
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Glockhead SWMI
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: South West Mich Points: 2657 |
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Anyone contact the owner on this yet?
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TerrySWIA
Silver Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Iowa Points: 153 |
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What dictates a lot of the price in the collector market is ego. Rarity doesn't always play in the price factor. The 220 was the biggest & baddest that Allis had to offer at the time. It was also the only one offered with FWA option. The high crops was an option on several models, although equally as rare. Whatever you collect, usually the more horsepower, the more money. Almost always a V8 will bring more than a strait 6 in collector cars, no matter how rare.
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BiG210
Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: ohio Points: 412 |
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I hope your son is the one to get it and restore it for the FFA contest and that everyone one on this sit mite help him in any way to restore it good luck. what a great find
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Nate (OH)
Silver Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bellevue, Ohio Points: 216 |
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DougG
Orange Level Joined: 20 Sep 2009 Location: Mo Points: 7949 |
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Im with Fred, like to see it go up for auction , the fun would begin
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oregontrailbeans
Bronze Level Joined: 15 Sep 2009 Location: USA Points: 23 |
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Was this the 220 that was sitting near Irrigon close the the Army Ammunition Depot?
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Henry se/k!
Orange Level Joined: 08 Mar 2010 Location: Kincaid Kansas Points: 403 |
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I'am with Eldon. What makes this tractor so high priced. Only built 70 some D-19 high crops.and I know of 25 that are left. Not worth near that kind of money. How come so many people want this tractor that would cost many bucks to restore???
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220allis
Silver Level Joined: 03 Apr 2011 Location: tioga ND Points: 60 |
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I guess I will say what I think 20k maybe 25 would be fair but if u want one 30 we have owed 4 still have 3 of them bid on worse yellow one also in WA state was last bid before it went to Indiana as steted had no ring gear or carrier in front axle but since we had one 220 fwa on the trailer we passed on that one six years ago they have gone up sine 2003 five thousand per year If the ones advertised for 45 k sold for that I personally know a lot of these tractors survive most people who have them don't want to be hassled by people who want to buy them at low ball prices so they are in the sheds hid away from jockeys and the like who bombard farm papers with ads for fwa tractors just our experience from buying ours over the last few years one last thing our salvage yard has tin and engine parts stacked up like cord wood from all the 220s killed in the late 80s so I think donor pats
do not need to come from another killed 220 sorry for the rant |
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RichinWis
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Deforest Wis Points: 691 |
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I saw one of those sell in northern Ohio about 10 years ago, and even if I wanted it I would not have been able to. Thats why it is nice to have friends to visit that have one.
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AC200Puller
Orange Level Joined: 04 Dec 2011 Location: Wisconsin Points: 774 |
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I agree Gary supply and demand sets the price.
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Gary(WI)
Orange Level Joined: 27 Nov 2009 Location: WI Points: 987 |
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Does not matter on how rare it is It matters how many people want one If there is 50 and 1000 people want one It gonna be expensive Ther could be 50 and 10 people want them and they are not going to cost that much Just my opinion Gary
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Fred in Pa
Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Hanover Pa. Points: 9110 |
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I would love to see this 220 FWA go up on the Auction Block in the Mid West area .Then we would find out on that given day what it would be WORTH to the HIGHEST BIDDER !!!!
Just a thought .
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Rfdeere
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Idaville, IN Points: 3282 |
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I have been thinking about this. If there were 100 Model 220 FWA's built and 50 have survived, are they really that rare per say ? Yes, I will completely agree that they are a very highly sought, scarce tractor. But there are sure alot of them out there compared to how many were built.
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Eldon (WA)
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Spokane, WA Points: 7765 |
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Well I have one that is even more rare than the 220 FWA.....an IB Crane tractor as shown in Norm Swinford's Construction Machinery and Industrial Equipment book on page 248. I have never seen another like it and no one else has come up with another picture of one. It would be an easy restore.....and it is located here in Washington! It is for sale.....
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acwdwcman
Orange Level Joined: 16 Oct 2010 Location: palmyra, il Points: 1075 |
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i think that you should at least see if this guy will sell it to you. tell him what it is for. (this can be a big determining factor.) and if you can't get he tractor then try to find another rare tractor.
for another tractor that is not as rare as this but would still be close to a winner with the judges would be a 20 35 allis. it is a really old one, but i don't know if your are looking for something this old or looking for a tractor form the 60's and 70's. just my $0.02
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wd with a freeman model 90 trip loader, wd45, 38 unstylled wc, b 10 garden tractor and 2-14 ac trip plow. grandpa has a 56 wd45. wd. allis chalmers snap coupler blade and 3 bottom snap coupler plow
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Don(MI)
Orange Level Joined: 15 Sep 2009 Location: Michigan Points: 3796 |
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Depends on what caliber of rare tractor you want. You started on the high side of rare with that one.
From other posters it sounds like this one has been known about and pursued in the past....or even changed locations? Have you been back there again? What do you know about the history of this one? |
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Galatians 5:22-24
"I got a pig at home in a pen and corn to feed him on, All I need is a pretty little girl to feed him when I'm gone!" |
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mm1468
Bronze Level Joined: 03 Jan 2013 Location: washington Points: 24 |
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what would be some other rare allis tractors that we could look for that he could restore for the contest? thanks
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AlVee
Silver Level Joined: 12 May 2011 Location: Iowa Points: 271 |
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I also see the injector lines are laying on the front weights pump is probably gone and injectors are probably open or gone too so hence water in the motor. but still a good start to a front assist 220 i would defiantly twist the guys arm to get it bought. i might even go as high as $15,000
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DougG
Orange Level Joined: 20 Sep 2009 Location: Mo Points: 7949 |
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I believe the potatoe diggers in the AC story book by CH Wendel
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Orange Blood
Orange Level Joined: 29 Nov 2010 Location: ColoradoSprings Points: 4053 |
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Here are just a few of my thoughts on this tractor. Personally I don't see the need for a donor tractor, while I cannot see the other side of her, the only thing that appears to be missing mechanically is the turbo, and probably the oil cooler. The front grill may be gone, or it may be in the weeds like the hood. This tractor may have been vandalized, but that appears to me to have been limited to the cab. The front of the tractor was "disassembled" probably has something to do with the missing turbo, which may indicate engine troubles. Non of which should keep a guy from trying to buy it, but something is fishy here, and I don't want to call anybody a lier so I will keep it to myself for now.
What I really want to know about is the potato digger, that is an Allis also????? Never knew they made one, never have ever really cared, but it is something most of us have never seen either, have any more information about that?
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dpower
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Madison Ne Points: 1575 |
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Earliest serial number i have seen in person is 2227.
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bdallman
Orange Level Joined: 14 Nov 2011 Location: Holton KS Points: 1130 |
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Sorry for incorrect spelling kirk!
I need to swing by sometime and see how everything is. I know they updated your gates and bin fill on your site. Your 4w220 was a very nice tractor. Can't wait to see the 220 fixed up! Brett |
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1954 CA, 1952 WD with Freeman Loader,1955 WD45, 1963 D19 Gas, 1984 620H, 1980’s AC Forklift, 66 All Crop Harvester, White Top Roto Baler, Misc S.C. Equip and AC Collectibles.
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allis4ever
Bronze Level Joined: 05 Nov 2009 Location: central iowa Points: 78 |
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Welton lol. And it is not for sale as you stated. If memory serves me it is serial number 2443. Dad sold the 4w220 this fall to a guy over by marshalltown. Two other 4w220's in the area. One just got sold and is heading to Green Bay and another that I suspect is staying right where it is.
On a Side note if anyone knows where I could get a identical front rim for my 220fwa I would appreciate it. Have one that is a little rotten around the valve stem and would rather replace than try to weld it up someday. |
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bdallman
Orange Level Joined: 14 Nov 2011 Location: Holton KS Points: 1130 |
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I know of a guy in Garwin Iowa that has a 220 fwa and also a 4w220
His name is kirk Wilton he has a bin site on the south edge of town. I don't think he wants to sell. But if some of you are keeping track of serial numbers I can get that from him. |
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1954 CA, 1952 WD with Freeman Loader,1955 WD45, 1963 D19 Gas, 1984 620H, 1980’s AC Forklift, 66 All Crop Harvester, White Top Roto Baler, Misc S.C. Equip and AC Collectibles.
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darrel in ND
Orange Level Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Hebron, ND Points: 8588 |
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Darryl, kind of cool that yours and Kevin's 4W220 serial numbers are consecutive. Darrel
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