Heart Patient d17 (226 to 426 aka 3500 MKII)
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Topic: Heart Patient d17 (226 to 426 aka 3500 MKII)
Posted By: Peterson
Subject: Heart Patient d17 (226 to 426 aka 3500 MKII)
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2012 at 5:30pm
I've been looking for a d17 or 180 to put a 426 in for pulling. Well i finally got a Series 1 D17 that i traded a junk 301 for. It had a weak PD. So this is how far i got on it so far.  I will be using a 180 torque tube, so i can run a bigger clutch. It will be one of my winter projects. Let me know what ya think. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
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Posted By: Mrgoodwrench
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2012 at 5:43pm
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do you think the final drives will take it? ------------- There are 3 ways to do job GOOD, FAST, CHEAP. YOU MAY CHOOSE 2. If its FAST & CHEAP it won't be GOOD, if it's GOOD & CHEAP it won't be FAST, and if its GOOD & FAST it won't be CHEAP!!!! |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2012 at 5:47pm
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They should. Im not going to run a huge tire either. Prolly only a 18.4r30 or something around there. If they dont, i've got a set off a 180 i could use. Also the plan is to lengthen the frame and side panels about 10 inches and have the turbo and stuff fit under the stock height hood. goin to mount the turbo where the battery goes. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2012 at 5:51pm
| Make sure you have a governor on the engine so when a final drive shucks all the teeth off of a bull gear the engine doesn't over rev. Final drives prior to a Series 3 are same as WD and WD45. |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2012 at 5:53pm
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Then perhaps i should put the 180 finals on it before i get started. Are they faster, slower? If they are faster that woud be a plus. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2012 at 6:12pm
| Slower ratio than a D17. The drive axle splines won't fit into an old D17 differential either. |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2012 at 6:14pm
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Well if worse comes to worse, i will just find a 180 or series 4 17 rearend and swap it in. it will be a work in progress. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: WildBill
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2012 at 7:08pm
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Give Edgerton Gearing a call. Bet they can build you a stronger set of final drives. But heck try it anyways run a rev limiter . Who knows may wrk . Keep pics posted bud . ------------- Allis fan for life ! B,C,2-WC'S,WD45G,D19G,190xt ,LLSS 8010, terra tiger refurbished |
Posted By: Mrgoodwrench
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2012 at 7:29pm
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if you don't mind the trashed parts run her but take pics...carnage is always fun! ------------- There are 3 ways to do job GOOD, FAST, CHEAP. YOU MAY CHOOSE 2. If its FAST & CHEAP it won't be GOOD, if it's GOOD & CHEAP it won't be FAST, and if its GOOD & FAST it won't be CHEAP!!!! |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2012 at 7:46pm
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My local dealer does have alot of old d17 and wd45 finals laying in a old shed from parts tractors. I have a A series Bosch pump to go on it but prolly just goin to run a stock roosamaster for now. Just want to get it up and running. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Gary in da UP
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2012 at 7:51pm
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DrAllis wrote:Posted By: Butch(OH)
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2012 at 8:46pm
Thanks Gary, Now I have to go find some Windex to clean the spit off the daggone 'puter screen!  Butch
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Posted By: WildBill
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2012 at 8:08am
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Hell I thought he was gonna put a hemi on it!!!! Holy crap a good 426 diesel will blow the finals to china! If needed I have a 7080 forsale. Lol. I bet input shaft goes first . ? A good worked over 262 stroked would be cool . At least the weight is down . ------------- Allis fan for life ! B,C,2-WC'S,WD45G,D19G,190xt ,LLSS 8010, terra tiger refurbished |
Posted By: Mrgoodwrench
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2012 at 10:15am
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could you use d19 tins to get it all to fit? ------------- There are 3 ways to do job GOOD, FAST, CHEAP. YOU MAY CHOOSE 2. If its FAST & CHEAP it won't be GOOD, if it's GOOD & CHEAP it won't be FAST, and if its GOOD & FAST it won't be CHEAP!!!! |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2012 at 4:09pm
The Donor Now before anyone asks, why didnt i use the 180. The tranny was junk. Popped out of every gear. Torque tube.  Attached  426 engine plate  I have to get the d17's tranny input shortened 1.5" to mate up with the 180's torque tube shaft. More to come... ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: D-17_Dave
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2012 at 4:54pm
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Surprised your even bothering with the power divider. I've seen those slip under a decent built 226 gasser. I have a bypass splined coupler if you need. Looks like an awesome project. ------------- Yea, I can fix that..... |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2012 at 5:17pm
Im not using the PD. I have the stock coupler to delete it. and it will be going in. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2012 at 5:22pm
Got the block bolted up today. Here's some pics.  And a little teaser, it will be longer though.  ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2012 at 8:00pm
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It doesnt take a 426 to break a d17 rear will maybe it does in cubic inches . I am sure if he thought the project out then he has thought about keeping a rear in under it . Garry if you want to bash a mans project get the nerve to do it without my name . I have the nerve to do it without using your name in a post. ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Fields
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2012 at 8:32pm
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wow when you get on the track post where I live by Reedsburg Wisconsin. I'd love to see it run. |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2012 at 10:00pm
What do ya think of this for the name? HAHA ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2012 at 8:45am
  ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2012 at 9:20am
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Fellow up here had put a 440 crysler in a WD45 and had pulled several times with it.... until he shelled the pinion gear on the final. Then he found a wd final and put that in and was under a hard pull when the shaft snapped... boy talk about him bouncing.. then he got D17 final on it and shelled out the tranny... Then the 440 got put into a COCKSHUTT. ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2012 at 9:59am
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Hey guys I really dont give a rats a$$ about who broke this shaft or gear or something like that. This is a build thread and thats it. So please dont crap up my thread. Thanks to the guys who have complemented the build. More to come. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: WildBill
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2012 at 10:00am
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OK HERE IS MY STORY ON A D 17 . KNEW OF A FELLER WHO PUT A 3 POINT ON THE BACK AND WAS TRYING TO CARRY A BALE ON THE LOADER AND ON THE REAR #1300 BALES GIVE OR TAKE A LITTLE AND THE FINAL DRIVE BLEW IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME..MADE THE REPAIR AND NOT LONG AFTER THAT OTHER SIDE BLEW. I LIKE THE FACT PETERSON IS WORKING HARD AT THIS BUT AS SOON ALL THE GOODIES ARE BOLTED ON THE ENGINE WHICH IS HEAVY IN THE FIRST PLACE HE WILL NEED TO ADD A CRAP LOAD OF WEIGHT TO THE REAR IN ORDER TO GAIN THE TRACTION NEEDED. THUS FOR BLOWING GEARS ETC AS SOON AS THE AWESOME 426 IS BUILT..NOW I FEEL EDGERTON GEAR CAN BEEF THE PARTS NEED BUT MAY BE SUPER EXPENSIVE.. MAYBE PETERSON HAS A GOOD BUDDY THAT WILL MACHINE SOME PARTS... THIS WILL BE A VERY INTERESTING THREAD TO FOLLOW AS TIME COMES AND HOPE IT STAYS ON THE GOOD CONVERSATION SIDE..PETE WHATS YOUR IDEA'S ON GEARING AND INPUT SHAFT ? NEW? USING OLD ? 3 DISC CLUTCH ? IS THE 426 STAYING STOCK WHICH I DOUBT? IS THAT A GLEANER ENGINE ? GOOD JOB ON THE PICTURES ! ------------- Allis fan for life ! B,C,2-WC'S,WD45G,D19G,190xt ,LLSS 8010, terra tiger refurbished |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2012 at 11:03am
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I have seen a lot of Pictures of fancy painted repowered tractors but this is a first to SHOW some of the build up. I'm sure a lot of thought and research has gone into just the adapter plate. Keep us posted as you go please, no matter what side comments are made. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: Orange Blood
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2012 at 3:16pm
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Never mind them other fellers Peterson, I am really enjoying watching your progress. It Looks AMAZING!!! ------------- Still in use: HD7 WC C CA WD 2-WD45 WD45LP WD45D D14 3-D17 D17LP 2-D19D D19LP 190XTD 190XTLP 720 D21 220 7020 7030 7040 7045 3-7060 Projects: 3-U UC 2-G 2-B 2-C CA 7-WC RC WDLP WF D14 D21 210 7045 N7 |
Posted By: AaronSEIA
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2012 at 3:57pm
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Your only gonna tear it up if the rubber bites and stops spinning. If you think any of those multi turbo/multi engine tractors actually have enough behind the flywheel to hold the power, you are smoking your socks. Stick one of those things to the ground and watch the pieces fly. Tractor pulling is about 2 things, making power and fixing the first thing that breaks. Mr Peterson is man enough to share his build and I appreciate that. If I had the funds, I'd be right with him doing something different with some orange. I'm curious about one thing, though. What class you gonna pull in and where can we see it in person? AaronSEIA
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Posted By: WildBill
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2012 at 4:31pm
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NO BULL ASIDE I THINK PETE HAS GUTS !! THIS WILL BE ONE OF THE BEST THREADS YET TO COME... CAN'T WAIT TO SEE IT RUN ! I DO ENJOY THE ENGINEERING CONCEPTS.. LIKE THE FELLER ABOVE STATED WONDER WHAT TINS ? WOULD BE A COOL ATTRACTION AT A (GOTO) ?? WONDER IF BANTER MACHINE WOULD BUILD KILLER TRANS TO WEDGE INTO THE OLD HOUSING WITH A REVERSER LOL ! THANKS PETERSON FOR DEDICATION & DETERMINATION.. :-) ------------- Allis fan for life ! B,C,2-WC'S,WD45G,D19G,190xt ,LLSS 8010, terra tiger refurbished |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2012 at 5:32pm
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The adapter plate was pretty easy. it is the old 7040 plate just machined to fit the 180 bell. Also i do know of a few tractors, a buddy of mine has a old Super stock tractor that pulled with the stock clutch shaft. And that tractor was thought to be bout 2000 HP back in the day. Im goin to see how the finals hold up. and if they dont i will either have the stock gears and shafts cryo treated and try that. Then if that dont work i will just find me a 180-185 rearend and tranny and swap it in. Now for sheet metal, I will be using stock d17 side panels that i will peice a section into. But its not set in stone. I will figure it out when i get that far. Now for what class, most of the pulls i got to are just run what ya brought. But otherwise id just have to pull in the open class or super stock. Im hoping to have it around 5500 pounds. Then maybe up to 7500. I will be running a set of 18.4x26's from the front of our 8050. With the smaller size of tire it will put less stress on everything. For this year i just want to get it running. I wont be able to get a steel flywheel, so i will only be running maybe 2800 rpms. But it will be getting a 320cc roosamaster with 4x18 injectors with a hx52 holset turbo. Im doin some trading for the pump and injectors. Im pullin the hx52 off my dodge. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2012 at 5:35pm
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Also just a FYI my names Tyler. Just if people wanted to know. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2012 at 5:42pm
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Also took the tranny input to the machine shop to be shortened and have a speedy sleave on it for the seals. Then i priced a new shaft bearing, well lets just say i will stick with the old one. Its $211 Bucks!!!! Also I live in a little town north of Medford. So i will be wanting to pull at the local pulls around here. Like Jump River, Colby (which is a black top pull) lol i will be pulling in a lower gear. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: wi50
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2012 at 9:45pm
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Medford has a great place to pull. I pulled at the fair this past summer at the county fair Saturday night, ended up all over the track and in the right break real hard. The clutch was slipping so bad on the JD B dragging me around the pits it barely got me on the scale. Looking foreward to going back there with the new engine and turbos. Good luck on your project. ------------- "see what happens when you have no practical experience doing something...... you end up playing with calculators and looking stupid on the internet" |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2012 at 9:57pm
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Yeah i didnt go, i wish i would have but farm work comes first. Thanks! ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2012 at 10:22am
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youve already got the 180 rear end. why not fix the gear jumping and stick that in instead of blowing the 17 rear up and then having to swap? if you fix it you know what you will have, if you swap another rear it may stay in gear for awhile, the collars probably have some rounding on the teeth, how long is it gonna hold with that kinda power? ------------- Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20 Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2012 at 10:38am
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The 180 gears are all rounded off. And to buy a set or gears would be as much as a different rear. I will just call up heitmans and he can hook me up with a good rear if need be. The d17 trans will hold more that what I will have for power. Plus it would be easy to swap in a different rear anyway. Dont worry yourself over how I want to build MY tractor! ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Breeze
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2012 at 11:09am
| sic' em |
Posted By: XT in pa
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2012 at 11:48am
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Im really enjoying this i hope to see some videos Shawn ------------- 190XT,D17and 7045 |
Posted By: KGood
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2012 at 12:56pm
| Very cool,don't let the skeptics talk you out of it. We pulled a D17 with around 130hp for 8 years or so up to 6000# class. It is a 1957 first year made there was a chip off the back of a tooth on the pinion gear and the local senior mechanic at Allis said don't worry about it and we never had any problem with any of the drive train except motor of course. The PD never slipped a bit but it was shimmed properly in the beginning. We had to dyno it at the belt pully because the PTO was not there as we had the back housing off. We bolted a 540 splined shaft off a combine to the bely pully hub. The guy at Allis said he had to caliberate it to get accurate HP. One time at a dry,gray clay track with some gravel we had it stripped down for the 4000# class and I got to pull in 4th low and it hung in there now that was fun. |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2012 at 8:58pm
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Well I got the injection pump and injectors. 320cc worth of pump and 4x18 injectors. And goin to pick up a set of hardened,cryo, balanced rods with New ARP bolts. MUHAHAHAHAHA!!! ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2012 at 6:30pm
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Got the rods today. Nice pieces! Plus got them pretty cheap. So thats a plus. More things to come... ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2012 at 5:39pm
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Well im doin a little change to the setup. It will be Stock D17 diesel length, but 180 frame rail width. Goin to run the rad. under the grill/weight bracket. Using a electric fan. Going to solid mount the front axle with rack and pinion steering. Havent got any pics at this time but will later. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2013 at 1:49pm
The 426 is bolted into the frame rails now. Using stock 301 engine mount holes. Heres some pics...    Had to cut the grill shell to fit the front cover.    Let me know what ya think. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Larry(OH)
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2013 at 3:41pm
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Looking good so far ------------- '40 WC puller,'50 WD puller,'50 M puller '65 770 Ollie *ALLIS EXPRESS contact* I can explain it to you, BUT I cannot understand it for you!! |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2013 at 7:20pm
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Thanks!! I got the rack and pinion steering tonight. So now to make the front axle... ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Jess
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2013 at 10:28pm
| waiting for more pics looks great so far realy appreciate the time you take to put them up for the rest of use to see Jess |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2013 at 6:53am
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I just got my bottom wisdom teeth pulled yesterday, so it will take me acouple days before i work on it again. I like taking pics of the stuff i do. Thanks for the complements!!! ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2013 at 1:21pm
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Well i hate sitting in the house instead of working on the d17, so i worked on the axle. Plus got afew things too. The oil filter...  Front axle made.  I will be putting some bridging under it to heavy it up some. Rack and pinion.  And kind of a little mock-up.  The spindles are off a old wagon the was laying around here, so it gave up its spindles. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: JayIN
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2013 at 5:59pm
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Keep it up! Cool as he!!. THE FEW. THE PROUD. THE ORANGE!!!!!! ------------- sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?" |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2013 at 6:57am
Well not much going on yet. But i did get the bushings made for the front axle, now just to mount it up. Then i stole a hood off our series 4 d17 gas and put it on just to see what it would look like with the 426 in there. lol Also we are bidding on 4-426's at a online auction. One of them is the counterweight crankshaft one. So im hoping we can get it. Plus get a better block than this one. This one is junk in the lower sleeve bores. It would need to be resleeved and that 60-70 bucks a hole. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Glockhead SWMI
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2013 at 3:22pm
| Ought to be fun. Cool project, |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2013 at 5:29pm
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Well scratch the idea of the crank and blocks. The silly SOB's are paying way to much. Grrrrrrr..... ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Bob C IL
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2013 at 5:06pm
| When its all said and done just remember::: THE DAMN THING AINT STORE BOUGHT AND I DID IT MY WAY!!!!!!!! keep up the good work.... |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2013 at 5:22pm
Thanks Bob!!! I finally got a grill and some torque tube side sheilds. Had to mod the panels to make them fit the 180 tube. They are not the greatest but for 20 bucks for both i couldnt go wrong.  ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: mattb
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2013 at 9:39am
| looks like the 426 is about 2 inches longer than a 301 i had to cut the radiator shell to fit my 301 but about 2 inches back. i used stock d17 frame rails looks like u could prob use them with the 426. |
Posted By: mattb
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2013 at 9:44am
| whats the difference in ratio between high and low from a d17 to a 180 or 200 i thought ab using the power director gears from a newer tractor in mine so there wasnt such a drastic drop in speed when u drop it in low. our 200 seems like it dont drop as much speed. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2013 at 5:29pm
| 180-185-190XT-200 is direct drive in high side and 20% slower in low side......for example 15.5 MPH in 8th and 12.5 MPH in 7th......A D17 is 15 MPH in 8th and 10.5 MPH in 7th...quite a bit slower ratio. |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2013 at 6:04pm
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I just bought a "core" turbo from the same place i got the other hx52 from on ebay. I got it for 180 bucks shipped. Got it today and this "core" its like brand new. Must have been put on new and then the truck parted out. The compressor wheel doesnt even look dirty. lol here's a pic  ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: O.P.S. Heads
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2013 at 7:40pm
| Is that an HX 35 or a 40? It should say on the tag on the compressor cover. Does it have a gated turbine housing? Looks to be in nice shape. |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2013 at 7:43pm
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Its a hx52 off a d12 Volvo. It measures about 67/70 with a 16cm exhaust housing. It also has the billet compressor wheel. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: O.P.S. Heads
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2013 at 8:22pm
| That's a nice price for a 52 in that condition. |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2013 at 9:13pm
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Heck yes!!!! She's on all fours now!!   ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2013 at 10:30pm
I got the steering all made and welded up. Had to put the shaft on the other side. I had it all tacked onto the other side and turned the steering wheel and the wheels went the wrong way. HAHA But the way i have it now is much cleaner. New steering wheel...  Steering shaft bearings and mounts.   ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: ACFarmer
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2013 at 9:01am
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Looking good, that'll be a neat tractor when your done. ------------- Making A living everyday farming with and working on Allis Equipment |
Posted By: DarrylinWA
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2013 at 6:37am
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Looks great. I love a transplant tractor. Just a question, What are you doing for a rad for cooling for this thing? Do you have enough room up front or mounting something different. Thanks for the play by play and keep up the great work. Take care, Darryl ------------- B 10 Custom. Serial # 1001 D21, First D21 built 69 #4498 and Last D 21 Built #4609. 1946 MM UTU. And 2000, 2005 Pete's. AC custom Hauling. |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2013 at 6:40am
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It will be mounted horizontaly with the intels under the grill with it sticking to the front. I will make my weight braket to go around it so you wont even see it. Then i will have a electric fan. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2013 at 6:00pm
Not much of a update. Been having problems on the farm with stuff. I did get some parts for my A-Pump and i got it clamped on for now. Just alittle teaser...   The pump is off a 5.9 cummins. Its only got 9.5mm plungers, but my pump man tells me i should be able to get 275-300cc out of it. I had the switch the throttle to the other side. More to come... Some day! lol ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: sks72107
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2013 at 7:15pm
| Interesting project! I didn't know the 5.9 ever came with an A pump? I thought it just had the mighty P. But there is a descent aftermarket for that pump. Keep us posted on this. |
Posted By: BennyLumpkin
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2013 at 7:53am
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Any progress? Loving this build. ------------- Central PA Allis Express 1934 WC254 1945 WF 1945 WC135755 1951 WD68085 1953 WD45-150217 1957 WD45D-230744D B110 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2013 at 5:42am
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Not really any progress. Only thing is that its going to be a 180 instead, bc it would be to hard to fit all the stuff I want to under the d17 or d19 metal. Plus I got all the 180 metal. I will have to redo a couple things but it will be all worth it. Been kinda slow around here working on our other tractors. Plus putting in a different bulk tank. More progress to come on this 180. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: thuddylikessmoke
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2013 at 8:35pm
| Very nice build can't wait for more pictures |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2013 at 4:57pm
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im using the 426!!! lol ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: sks72107
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2013 at 6:04pm
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I can't resist. Booooooooooooooooo! I'm still excited to see the finished product. |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2013 at 6:06pm
| Theres alot of performance stuff for the Cummins,, good easy horsepower! What ya doing with the 426 ? |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2013 at 7:33pm
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Lol ya I know. The 426 got put in the shed for another day. Never know what project might come along for it. Muhahahahahaha!! ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2013 at 9:16am
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How is this coming along? ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2013 at 9:22am
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Its still in the shop, but to much farm work to do to have anytime to work on it. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2013 at 7:03am
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This tractor isnt dead, just to let ya guys know! Been really busy with farm work and fixing other tractors. But alittle update is im goin back with the old 426. I got the crank polished up and ready to go. Got a new set of sleeves and pistons, and hardened rods. Got to get the block gone threw yet. and get lots of other stuff made to. so it will take awhile yet. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: AC200Puller
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2013 at 8:56am
| I made it all season this year without breaking anything,not my normal year. LOL . Breaking things is part of pulling so don't get discouraged by some of these posts that are picking at you. I enjoy looking at your build and hope to see the finished product. Just remember be safe while running it. |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2014 at 7:29am
A little update for ya guys, I got the block all fixed up and ready to go! Got some new bolts for the Mains. Also bought some new valve springs.  I will have to get ya some more pics of it. Waiting on some assembly lube to get here. Then I will be dropping the crank in along with the sleeves. I have to mark the pistons for valve relief cuts for when I have enough money to buy increased ratio rockers. So its still long way away but its coming along. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2014 at 12:30pm
New lower sleeve bores and new cam bearings. New main bolts. Grade 9 180,000 psi tensile strength.  ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Bob C IL
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2014 at 3:50pm
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Check the length!!! Aftermarket bolts will Bottom out. Been there done that |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2014 at 3:57pm
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Don't worry bout that, bottom tapped and a nice grade 9 washer will put me at the correct length with a few more threads in the block. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Bob C IL
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2014 at 4:38pm
| Great... Done that on a 800 cube mini then couldn't get platigauge to read right!!! Had to do a little grinding!! |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2014 at 11:10pm
Crank in and torqued down to 200 foot pounds. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2014 at 3:57am
| Hate to ask stupid questions, could you take a pic of your engine stand sometimes? I need to build one,, cool project! |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2014 at 5:26pm
Its just a cheap fleet farm engine stand that we modified. here's a couple pics.   the engine is alittle top heavy without the crank in it, but im only 145 pounds and I can move it myself. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2014 at 4:10am
| Ok gottcha,, thanks for the pics,, great idea too! |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2016 at 11:30am
Well guy's, long time no update!!! lol 2 years! The tractor is still in progress. Be busy getting married and getting a house for us to live in. Very little money to "play" with anymore. but slowly it is getting built! I got a flywheel figured out for it and machined to fit. The flywheel itself is 1 40 pound chevy steel flywheel. The adapter is made from a old combine flywheel that I cut apart. Turned down to fit the chevy flywheel.   Yes the adapter is cast, but it was the easiest way to make it. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Bob C IL
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2016 at 11:41am
| I wanted to do that same thing but couldn't get certified with any cast in flywheel at all. So I had to make mine from a chunk of steel. Don't think that small of diameter hub would have caused any problems. |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2016 at 7:30pm
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I wouldn't think it will either. Good starting point atleast. Can always make a steel one later on if need be. Hopefully be getting the head check for cracks in the next couple weeks at carquest. Then porting and polishing. Then off the machine shop to get the spring pockets opened up for the bigger springs. Then back to carquest for new guides, grinding the valves and seats then a surfacing. Then the head will be done! ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: NDBirdman
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2016 at 10:14am
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Love the thread, thanks! Can't wait to see this finished, I will have to come visit sometime when your pulling it. Looks like it will be bad-arse for sure! ------------- 1955 WD45 S#205467, 190XT #6652 DXT |
Posted By: LeonR2013
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2016 at 7:48am
| If this 17 puller holds up to built 426 they should be considered one of the best tractors ever built. Seems to me they would almost been impossible to wear out! Leon R Cmo |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2016 at 11:26pm
| you go Pete! you're pulling for us, and we're pulling for you! |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2016 at 6:25am
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Thanks guys!!!! She's goin to be a mean one when its done! ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: lowell66dart
Date Posted: 18 May 2016 at 10:33am
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Any progress? ------------- AC 6080 (8030,7060,200,175,D-17HC, 6040,160,6140 all gone) Farmall 1066 & 656 Hi-Clear (for sale), White 2-62 High Clearance, JD 4255 Hi Clear. |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 18 May 2016 at 3:27pm
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Not yet, been doing spring tillage and planting. Sooner or later it will get worked on. Thanks for the interest guys! ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: lowell66dart
Date Posted: 18 May 2016 at 9:47pm
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I drag raced for quite a while and really enjoyed fabbing things that you just couldn't buy. I am sorta glad there is no tractor pulling down here but enjoy following the projects you all build. ------------- AC 6080 (8030,7060,200,175,D-17HC, 6040,160,6140 all gone) Farmall 1066 & 656 Hi-Clear (for sale), White 2-62 High Clearance, JD 4255 Hi Clear. |
Posted By: ac720nut
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2016 at 8:07pm
| Sorry guys been following this closely and and don't want to see it lost so I'll bump it up and hope Mr Peterson has some more info. Really would like to see this thing run |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2016 at 12:54pm
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She isn't dead yet. Lol been busy with field work, plus the milk price is in the toilet. So progress is slow. Thanks for keeping tabs on the build guys!!! ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |