WHY??  Didn't they abolish the road test because of Covid?  They did here in WI.  About the worst thing they ever did.  Here we don't have to renew but every 8 years.  They don't care if you can't drive, they just want their fees...

I'm surprised that IL lets them get away with the various testing.  THAT my friends is age discrimination.  ILLEGAL.....

I think EVERYONE should have to take both the written and the road test every time.  Laws change and people aren't aware of the new laws.  Hell, most people don't even know what the laws are now!  (and it shows)

Aint the seniors that need tested every year --- its them damn new cars, or whatever they call them that pass in no passin zones, cut you off, and that kind of stuff PLUS when posted speed is 55, they pass you runnin a hundred then try to cut you off! --- Where are the lazy cops????

Can answer that as is covered in CDL Manuals, UNLESS is registered to and used EXPRESSLY for Personal Farm Use, when GVWR (that is MFR RATING Not License weight) exceeds 26000lbs Combined as a Truck and Trailer or as Base Weight GVWR of the truck a Class B for Straight trucks or a Class A for Truck/Trailer Combo is required, place Air Brakes on it and becomes a CDL ONLY, Can be Class A,B or C, where again if is not licensed Personal FARM use ONLY or is registered RV in those states allowing such but where as RV cannot support ANY OTHER Towing or Function use.

As to testing BAD Drivers, some states adopted that after receipt of License removal Points and performance of Rehabilitative Training the Licenses can ONLY be reinstated by Driving tests.  HOWEVER, that function as in MO is being transposed OFF the State's Back to CONTRACTORS more and more.  Predominantly, those that lose license just continue to drive even as arrested Over and Over and Over, even as to NO Insurance, slap on the wrist limp spaghetti and NOTHING More, sent home to repeat.

DM's explanation really doesn't make any sense, probably mostly for structure and punctuation, but Fleet-  I can tell you what I know:

Every state has different rules on what DOES, and DOES NOT constitute a CDL circumstance.  Each time I cross into a different state, I have to review my status list to see what is, or may be changing.  My company's fleet person makes a nice list of each state, so we all stay on the proper side of the book.

AC Fleet-  In Iowa, if you pull that trailer with a pickup truck with GVWR under 10,000lbs, and there's no air brakes on either truck or trailer, you do NOT need a CDL.  You WILL, however, need to stop at all weigh stations, and if your tow vehicle is owned by a business, OR you're doing business work, you MUST have a current medical card.

IF the truck with which you're TOWING it has a rated GVWR of 10,000lbs or GREATER, regulations require that you have a Class A CDL AND a medical card.

IN Iowa, if you have the trailer DERATED to 9980lbs, you can tow it with ANY vehicle, and a CDL is NOT required, so long as you're not exceeding 26,000lbs GROSS COMBINED WEIGHT, and there are no air-brakes.  You WILL have to stop at state weigh stations.  IF you're in commercial or farming, you WILL have to carry a medical card.

IF your tow vehicle is under 10,000lbs GVWR, and the trailer is under 10,000 GVWR, you do NOT need to carry a medical card, commercial or not.  IF the GROSS WEIGHT is under 10,000lbs here, one does NOT need to stop at weigh stations.

Now, if I'm driving a FWD 6x6 truck tractor with air-brakes pulling a train of 9 hay wagons on 15-ton running gear, fully loaded, from the 4 south 200 acre fields, across the county blacktop, up the gravel hill to the second farm entrance on the left, at 6mph, and I'm 13 years old, I can legally do that under the Implements of Husbandry clause...

Read up On Federal Regs, and Yes, they do over ride State Law as to the lowest denominator.

From FMSCA:

These are Baseline:

I agree! CDL Laws are nationwide laws. Individual states can make their laws more stringent, but the CDL laws ultimately govern.

A "medical card" is required for everyone operating a CMV interstate. 

Some states may require a medical card for intrastate, under certain conditions. New York does not. As a New York State resident, and a CDL license holder, I can legally operate a CMV inside New York State without a medical card.

As far as the "13-year-old" driver scenario, not in New York. To operate a farm "motor vehicle", the operator must be legally licensed operator. That includes driver's that are underage, have no license, have had their license suspended / revoked or are medically not allowed to have a driver's license cannot legally operate a farm vehicle in New York.

Also, farm motor vehicles have to conform to New York Vehicle and Traffic Laws regarding safety equipment, tires, size of load (including overload and overlength laws) and all other pertinent laws.

We are seeing some tickets here for these guys with one-ton dually pickups and tandem dually trailers with a GVW of over 20K. 

Was on Hwy 19 headed to a Clay Pit Last Spring, young driver with a SRW Gooseneck which is only rated for 9500lbs against available tires, Half Ton pickup with a Goose ball typical of many poorer farms around here, TWO NF 14xx series IH Tractors on the trailer and a spare 38 in the truck bed.  Tried to stop for a school bus, Elec brakes with the pickup NOT NEAR ENOUGH, so rather than hit the bus, ran off in ditch.  MODOT works Hwy19 heavily, found him and Not congenial.  First was hauling FOR HIRE, No DOT number or Haulage name on truck, Not covered for Insurance as Commercial Use,  Failure to Maintain Control, could not prove speeding so not written up yet as wrecker removed from ditch Portables came out.  Truck/trailer was towed to impound, tractors had to be picked up by Licensed Hauler.  Kid had a Class B, lost that, lost FARM TAG license off the truck AND Trailer, fined for Overweight, exceeding safety value of tires, exceeding safety value of brakes, Incomplete Load Securement.  Tried the 'But is their Farm Truck' plea, failed and cost them close to $4000 overall in fines fees and court costs, just lucky did not get jail sentence.

Reason know these facts, Our Home contractor is their neighbor, I stay in contact with home for repairs I cannot do, he mentioned the incident and we spoke on it.

While I'm not 100% for it, I do know the only way to instill a safety culture into trucking is through enforcement and fines where it counts. The RV industry needs included into this realm of trucking. 

  I was in the local bank the other day at the counter getting cash counted out and in comes rushing a man guessing to be Mexican, thrusts his phone at me and says "interpret".

  

    I address the phone as a stranger who has just been handed a phone and the other person responds he needs this guy to get to his business,  ---- Auto, I laugh, I am at the bank!   He answers I know, could you please go out and point at his place,  I go outside a semi with a car trailer is parked so that I know he already drove by the business once, I point, there it is, its the only place on the one side of the road with a large sign announcing its presence.   In broken English I manage he drove by it more then once, the guy on the phone was not happy sounding.

   I wander back to the bank and all the girls are watching out the window, when I get in they ask what was that all about???  I respond, we are in trouble. They agree

here's just one link to what happened here, dang 9 YEARS ago....

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/trucker-who-crashed-dump-truck-in-" rel="nofollow - https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/trucker-who-crashed-dump-truck-in-

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Sad thing is , he's back driving, had open bottle of booze but OPP (cops) didn't take booze test for 4 hours...

You need to know the QEW  links Buffalo to Toronto,the ONLY link,  100s of 1,000s of cars and semis , every day, 24/7. He cost 10s of millions in lost time as NO easy way to bypass the bridge in addition to the bridge damage.

If you Google map it, you gotta wonder HOW the 'heck' did ge manage to drive so frikin far with the dump box UP !!!!

Special little Blurb on CDL, REQUIRED to be able to Readily READ and SPEAK English language for a US License, whomever is issuing these ignoring that need be the ones in Jail.

At work, we had several similar incidents during Snow and Ice Operations. We were using hoppers for sanding back then and guys would dump hoppers out by inadvertently hitting the lever. NYSDOT's solution was to remove the pin in the lever, so it would just flop around. 

yeah that's the mess....

it was a friggin NIGHTMARE trying to get around here..

That's an intriguing observation about Illinois requiring seniors to take a driving test. It's indeed a proactive measure aimed at ensuring road safety, especially considering the potential changes in driving abilities that come with age. Discussing the possibility of implementing similar measures in your area could lead to valuable insights and discussions on enhancing road safety for everyone.

He can back a trailer or even a wagon like a boss.

Grandmother had a wreck at 84, stopped driving at that point as could not get insurance.  NEEDED to Stop several years earlier.  HOWEVER, have watched people in 20s thru 50s, Should NOT EVER have been issued more than a ID Card as CANNOT Safely operate so much as a Grocery Cart.

We travelled home from Florida (where there are a LOT of old people!) to northern NY state Monday and Tuesday. Every time we encountered someone driving much slower than normal traffic, it was someone old. Traffic was closing quickly on these slow motorists and taking evasive action to get around them. My personal feeling it that very slow drivers cause more accidents on interstates than very fast drivers.

We all know people that should not still be driving. I know it takes away their independence, but some of these people have lost the skills to be a safe driver.

My brake lights are never on and I've been a 2 footed driver for 54 years.

It would be nice if all brake lights were LEDs. They come on much faster, giving us old guys more time to react to the IDIOT 6 cars ahead....

Wayne180d wrote: I just heard on the radio yesterday our fat assed governor is thinking about doing away with the road test for seniors.  But we have an idiot in Chitcago that wants to cripple the law enforcement even more.  He is proposing that police can't stop any one unless they are 25 over, can"t stop for expired tags, several more things which I can't remember.  It's getting to be ridiculous with all these "woke" idiots

He He, I think of that short rolly polly and his 25 cent gas tax every time I fill up.