Warm morning stove
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Topic: Warm morning stove
Posted By: 185turbo
Subject: Warm morning stove
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2021 at 8:58am
I was wondering if anyone had experience in heating there shop with a warm morning stove?
My shop is 36x50 14 tall, steel building with good insulation.
The warm morning stove is a propane model with a blower, not sure of the model number
I was thinking about putting in a couple ceiling fans to push heat back down.
I would just like to keep it around 50, it usually stays about 40 own its own with no heat
Im just wondering how effeicent it would be or do i need to get a wall mounted lp heater?
Thanks
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Posted By: Hubert (Ga)engine7
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2021 at 9:41am
Suspended (ceiling) radiant heater(s) would be better. The Warm Morning should give the heat you need but having an exposed flame, especially down at floor level,is asking for trouble. Just about all combustible gases are heavier than air and will collect at the lowest level and when the combustible mixture contacts fire then..........BOOO0M! Many shops have gotten away with floor heaters for years but it just takes one time for disaster to strike. I remember this happening to a volunteer fire department (not in this county) a number of years ago, they had propane floor heaters in the bay. Destroyed the station and apparatus plus severely injured two firefighters.
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Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2021 at 1:12pm
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Both of my sons have the raidiant heaters overhead and really like them, they bought them and installed them theirself.
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Posted By: Dusty MI
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2021 at 2:41pm
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There are 2 type of radiant heaters. One is open flame that heats a metal grid and glows red/orange. And the other is a metal tube with an aluminum reflector and a power burner at burner. It also vents to the out doors.
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Posted By: Dakota Dave
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2021 at 4:25pm
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You definitely want to vent out doors. Either and overhead tube infrared of a forced air cube. Burning propane puts a quart of water into the air for every gallon you burn. I have for temporary used a patio radiant heater. It warmed the shop nicely. So I was able to continue insulating and get the cieling up. When I got the cieling cube heater up it dried up the shop overnight. We have tube Infared heaters in the hangers and they work better than anything. Whatever up put in melts off and drys up. The tools and even the floor stay warm. It's too bad I didn't install bracing for the mounts before installing the cieling and blowing in insulation or I would change over to it.
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Posted By: Boss Man
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2021 at 9:10pm
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Around here code requires open flame heat sources to be a minimum of 3 feet off the floor in garages and sheds.
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Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2021 at 12:28am
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don't waste your money on ceiling fans, put a box/tube along a wall that reaches up into the ceiling area and open at the top, place a squirrel cage fan at the bottom, it'll suck the warm air down and re-disperse it down low lots faster and with less electric than them fans trying to push heat down. you can also fit a filter in that tube if you want. some have reversed the ceiling fans pulling the warm air up and then it fills the lower areas faster, but it's still slow.
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Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2021 at 11:08pm
Warm Morning made LOTS of furnaces. I have a friend with a vertical wood-burner, probably nothing like what you're considering. it works in a pretty large quonset hut, but irrelevant as it's probably no way similar to what you're considering.
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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2021 at 6:13am
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The problem with circulating large volumes of air from a warm zone to cooler is the laws of Thermodynamics. Heat from a Furnace is lost as waste from heating up the ducting, insulate the ducts helps but does not stop the process, to draw air high and release low the laws are such that for every foot of duct contact there is a 'Line Loss' of heat transfer and as releases to room is often just as cool as room is at that level. Movement with turbulence speeds up heat transfer, is why small tube boilers work so well, surface area along with flowing materials in a turbulent state.
Modern Furnaces make hundreds of degrees at the heat exchangers, air picks up a lot of that heat but loses much of it getting it to the outlet duct holes. Heat Stoves within a room make that room much more comfortable as keep the air at a higher level, round a corner and that heat dissipates rapidly.
Can manufacture heat, to make Cooler have to Remove Heat are not "Making Cold" but removing heat from surfaces and air.
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Posted By: Dusty MI
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2021 at 8:45am
Radiant heat is a different type of heat, it's like the sun, it heats objects not air.
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Posted By: Ed (Ont)
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2024 at 8:58am
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Wood stove would do just fine. Rented a shop years ago about 2500 sq ft. Heated with wood only. Little stove in the corner. Warm as toast all winter. We had doors up and down a lot.
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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2024 at 1:59pm
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Surprisingly these little fans Move some Air, NO Batteries, NO Power Cords.
https://avasreview.com/best-stove-fans/?gc_id=20758618058&h_ad_id=680067458364&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiAlcyuBhBnEiwAOGZ2Sxar9PcQM3inh7dWyqwyKCFuAeV7vDVjpdp9jzpWzVAWTfKqJ3a1LRoCnnAQAvD_BwE" rel="nofollow - Best 5 Stove Fans in 2023 – Ava's Review (avasreview.com)
Heat from stove powers them. Had two smaller ones in the Hunting Bus at BILs place, worked Great!
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Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2024 at 8:29am
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Man I'm old and dumb! How do those fans work? I don't get it!
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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2024 at 12:54pm
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Have a Thermal Peltier Electric generator, uses heat or lack thereof to make them run or stop.
https://simplyvaliant.co.uk/pages/secrets-of-the-stove-fan#:~:text=The%20Peltier%20device%20generates%20electricity,in%20turn%20drives%20the%20fan." rel="nofollow - Secrets Of The Stove Fan (simplyvaliant.co.uk)
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Posted By: sparky
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2024 at 1:08pm
I have a 40x80 12 foot high shop. I put a hanging on chains Hired Hand 225,000 btu lp heater in it. It’s 99% efficient and needs no vent pipe. I hung it in one corner and aimed it diagonally at the opposite corner. Installed the thermostat on one long wall at the halfway point. I really like how it works. These heaters are used around my neck of the woods in 300 to 500 foot chicken houses. They made smaller btu units but get the big one. It may burn more fuel but it doesn’t run near as long as the smaller units. Good luck.
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Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2024 at 1:30pm
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Thanks Dave! That's a pretty cool device. I need a heat exchanger in my stove pipe (oil burner). That pipe gets very hot! But if you take too much out of the flue pipe doesn't it effect the draw making the stove not work so well?
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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2024 at 5:04pm
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Works off Stove Radiant Heat, not in Flue or any penetrations.
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Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2024 at 8:04pm
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Correct,just saying I could use a way to collect exhaust heat...not related to these fans....
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Posted By: Dorix
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2024 at 9:30am
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I have a small amount of experience with them. A friend used to heat his house with one. It's an older house, not well insulated somewhat smaller than your shop, he used ceiling fans to circulate the heat throughout the house. And was always able to keep it comfortable. So I'm inclined to think, since it sounds like you mostly want to just take the chill out, one of the larger ones would work. As others have said it may not be your best option.
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