HD16 Exhaust manifold
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Topic: HD16 Exhaust manifold
Posted By: Morten.have
Subject: HD16 Exhaust manifold
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2017 at 1:13pm
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I have a broken exhaust manifold on my HD16DC the ingine is a 844 but I don’t know for sure. I really bad need a new manifold, and I are of course able to fabricate a new none, but maybe some of you guys know where to find a new or a spare one. Please let me know. Thanks |
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Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2017 at 1:22pm
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yes 844. do not think it would be hard to locate a used one here in the US but you may be money ahead to fabricate with transport costs. all HD16 manifolds prior to Series B with turbos are the same I believe. early hd21 buda manifold would work as well no turbo. I actually have 1 but don't care to sell it. ------------- Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20 Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
Posted By: gemdozer
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2017 at 4:39pm
| Do you have a part number for the exhaust manifold |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2017 at 12:07am
| there's a parked later model 16 (square design) with a fabricated ex manifold on it.The builder put his name on it in weld.Did a decent job. |
Posted By: Morten.have
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2017 at 12:42am
Can you get some pictures of that ? |
SteveM C/IL wrote:Posted By: Morten.have
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2017 at 1:24am
I ned the complete manifold assembly. 
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Posted By: jerbob
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2017 at 6:10am
| I will start a search Morten. |
Posted By: ACjack
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2017 at 9:00am
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When doing your searches be sure to include the engine series number "IE 16,000" along with what your using which is the cubic inch displacement of the engine. There was several different exhaust manifolds that where used on the "844 cubic engine".
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Posted By: jerbob
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2017 at 9:13am
| Thank you and good suggestion. |
Posted By: Morten.have
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2017 at 3:02am
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Thanks all off you 👍🏻 I hope I can find one, my google search have not been very helpful yet |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2017 at 10:54am
| I can take a pic next time I'm there but no way of knowing when that will be.It's next to a place I deliver seed to but I don't do the scheduling. Will have to get someone to accept texted photo and put on here. It's in Walnut Grove IL a little N/E of Macomb. |
Posted By: jerbob
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2017 at 9:21am
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So far no luck on my search. I have my local Agco shop looking at old dealer inventories as well. I have a crack on my center section of my exhaust manifold but I'm going to take it off clean it out and braze it when ready. My dealer was able to get me all new gaskets, studs and connection rings new. Still looking for you . |
Posted By: Ian Beale
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2017 at 3:02pm
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Re fixing that crack. Have a look at the Lincoln application dodger for Ferroweld for repairing things like cast iron manifolds. Went into some detail last time I looked. A very hard electrode to find in Australia. A neighbour has a supply and he's repaired the exhaust manifold on our truck exhaust successfully. It was mentioned for antique vehicle repairs as it rusts like the original whereas nickel repairs don't. |
Posted By: Morten.have
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2017 at 3:39pm
| Mine is not fix able |
Posted By: Ian Beale
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2017 at 4:29pm
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Straight stacks and a good set of ear protectors then? |
Posted By: jerbob
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2017 at 7:40pm
| Oh man,, straight pipes would be ear killers for sure Ian. Would be fun to hear it though. |
Posted By: jerbob
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2017 at 7:41pm
| Looking still Morten. |
Posted By: gemdozer
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2017 at 1:52pm
| I have a complet exhaust manifold but not the same parts number. |
Posted By: jerbob
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2017 at 6:45pm
| What are the numbers for your manifold gemdozer? |
Posted By: jerbob
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2017 at 8:20pm
| What are the numbers for your manifold gemdozer? |
Posted By: gemdozer
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2017 at 5:05am
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The exhaust manifold parts number are center 4367606 left 4365831 right 4366306
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Posted By: ACjack
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2017 at 8:24am
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Just a reminder: Just because a number is cast into a part doesn't mean that is the part number, it could be just a "casting" number and the actual part number could be something else. AC would sometimes use the same casting for different multiple parts. |
Posted By: jerbob
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2017 at 12:32pm
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Agreed. My HD16DC has an engine number of 4393hdc. My same 3 sections of exhaust manifold with parts numbers from my owners parts manual that came with the machine, are different than those listed by our good friend gem dozer. |
Posted By: Morten.have
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2017 at 4:25pm
What are your asking price for it? |
Posted By: Morten.have
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2017 at 4:10am
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I’m still looking for a exhaust manifold for my HD16DC 844 engine. The one Gemdozer has is unfortunately broken Please let me know if you have one guys |
Posted By: Ferdinand
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2017 at 7:32am
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Can you post a picture of your broken manifold? I'm curious how bad it might be. ------------- Because narrow is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leads unto life, and few there be that find it. Mathew 7:14 |
Posted By: jerbob
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2017 at 5:35pm
| Sorry Gemdozer's manifold didn't work out Morten. |
Posted By: Morten.have
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2017 at 3:28pm
  
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Posted By: jerbob
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2017 at 3:59pm
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That's pretty bad for sure Morten. Afraid I am not much help other than to continue to look here in the states for ya. |
Posted By: Ferdinand
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2017 at 5:13pm
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This might be a difficult solution but, ... A couple of years ago I was going to make a custom exhaust system for car. A local company said they could waterjet cut a 3/8" thick steel flange for the header pipes. I was going to use a tube bender and have the local welding shop make the pipes and weld them to the flange. Quoted cost of the one-off waterjet flange was "less than a hundred dollars". The welder would charge about $250.00 P.S. Somewhere on Youtube there is a video of a guy making a simple custom exhaust for an International dozer. He took a big steel pipe and made a "log" runner style exhaust. ------------- Because narrow is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leads unto life, and few there be that find it. Mathew 7:14 |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2017 at 5:47pm
| Would be similar to the old Detroit style mufflers. Horizontal with multiple inlets and one BIG outlet. |
Posted By: rickv57
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2017 at 7:38am
| Morton have you found you a manifold yet I am going to look at a couple of Parts 16 Sunday will check the manifolds for you |
Posted By: Morten.have
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2017 at 9:13am
| I’m still really bad need a manifold! |
Posted By: rickv57
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2017 at 9:17am
| I have found a manifold but would have to buy the whole tractor to get it 1500, if nobody purchases this this machine I may be able to get it later as it will probably be scrapped |
Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2017 at 9:51am
Morton i have this one off my parts machine. The muffler is rusted nearly gone. Seems to me one flange had been welded near a bolt hole but cant see in the picture, but better than yours by far. I can get more pics if your still interested, iv decided that it will do you more good than me so why not help you out. You can pm me to discuss if you wish. ------------- Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20 Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2017 at 10:00am
what is the scoop on this machine rick? where is it? hydraulic or cable? lanova or direct? issues? ------------- Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20 Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
Posted By: rickv57
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2017 at 10:05am
| Machine is a early model with the Buddha it is a hundred percent complete motor probably stuck, has a cable blade, it is a DC model with a torque, next time I'm up there I will get some pictures, may end up bringing it it home myself as I believe it could probably be a runner with some work definitely a lot of parts, I just have a lot going and several machines already on my agenda |
Posted By: jerbob
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2017 at 10:17am
| We feel your pain Rick. Gotta be tough maintaining and keeping track of 20+ machines. :) |
Posted By: rickv57
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2017 at 10:19am
| Jerry I lost count I think I'm about 30 now |
Posted By: rickv57
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2017 at 10:19am
| Don't know if that's machines or IQ LOL |
Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2017 at 10:29am
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rick my parts machine is a 16D with buda motor. strange to have early motor in later long track machine, but I guess you use what works when something breaks ------------- Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20 Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
Posted By: jerbob
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2017 at 12:59pm
| I travel the country quite a bit for my work. This coming year when I am in your state, we will talk about letting in to see the collection. I would love that Rick. |
Posted By: jerbob
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2017 at 3:36pm
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Hello Cal Have you ever taken this type of manifold apart ? curious how hard to get the 3 sections separated from the pair of rings on each one. Are they designed to pull apart or are they like a spring clip that you have to work out of the joint? Thank you |
Posted By: ACjack
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2017 at 6:41pm
| Those joints are a "slip fit". To assemble you squeeze them together and slid one manifold section into the other. to take apart you just pull the sections apart. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2017 at 8:01pm
| Old NH Cummins manifolds were as that. Rings did not wear, just a seal for the slip joint as parts heated up and moved around. |
Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2017 at 8:10pm
I have not. Hope i never have a reason to. ------------- Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20 Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
Posted By: jerbob
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2017 at 6:21am
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You are an honest man Cal. Thank you |