Sub-soiling depth
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Topic: Sub-soiling depth
Posted By: IBWD MIke
Subject: Sub-soiling depth
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2017 at 1:55pm
| I recently (Saturday) picked up a No. 4 Sub-soiler from a forum member. The weather is supposed to be pretty good Thursday and Friday and I have off work, so I thought I might try this thing out. My question is, how deep do you run one of these things? I believe the book says it will go 18" deep. Going to just work on high traffic areas leading into the fields. Also it came with the mole attached. Leave it or remove it? |
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Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2017 at 2:03pm
| go as deep as you can pull it |
Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2017 at 2:05pm
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Here's tip # 1: Wait until it's hard and dry in the middle of the summer, That will allow the ground to shatter sideways and open up more passageways for water to travel. If you rush and try it wet you'll only cut trenches that will fill right back in. Tip #2: Go as deep as you have power to pull it. The # 4 has a beaming adjustment over the top that controls the working depth. The ones without this need to have the traction booster set properly to maintain a depth that any given tractor can handle. Tip # 3: Go SLOW!!! if you don't you'll know why I say this the first time you catch a rock bigger than you've ever seen before. ------------- If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2017 at 2:18pm
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Paul, I appreciate the tips. No. one wont work though. Have to get this done before planting beans in the spring. I think it's plenty dry right now, can't hurt to try. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2017 at 2:40pm
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OK, I was going to make a smartazz comment about the attached mole but well I'm needing some edumushcation... what's a 'mole' ? Also would it be better to go once semi deep them again full depth ? ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: bryani289swmi
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2017 at 4:05pm
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The mole is the piece attached at the rear behind the point. I would leave it attached. Thanks. Bryan   ------------- Sticks and stones may break my bones but hollowpoints explode on impact. |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2017 at 4:17pm
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Paul has the right ideas. You do want it pretty dry. I see a lot of guys here running subsoilers in wet ground. I always what's the point then... 16" - 18" would be pretty good. Watch out for shallow tile. Ideally, your WD5 would have the rock trip built into the snap coupler. Mine has it, so when you hit anything that pulls really hard, a leaver hits the hand clutch lever and throws it forward and disengages the hand cluth. no damage from rocks.
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Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2017 at 6:22pm
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X2 on what Paul and Shameless said. Mole is not a necessary item, nor is the rock trip. Nice to have though. When the subsoiler hits something, you'll know it, tractor stops moving, and the SS is the anchor. Just back out and raise it, is all I've ever done.
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Posted By: BrettPhillips
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2017 at 7:20pm
| As I recall, I was able to easily run my #4 subsoiler at 18”+ with my D14. Even with the automatic Power Director release linkage, I tried to stay in low gear, although second gear low range was no problem. High range is a no-no with the release linkage, as it might cause some pain if the PD lever hits your knee. Super dry soil is the best. |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2017 at 8:21pm
| years ago, I bought a one shank SS, we had cleaned out an old farmstead of trees and a few old buildings. I hooked that one shanker to my 7010 (overkill? nope) going as slow as that tractor would go with that SS sunk all the way in, it would grab the remaining tree roots and bring them to the top. it also grabbed a few big chunks of concrete and brought them to the top. I put the same SS on my 180 (smallest tractor I had) and every year go up and down the end rows where compaction would be the greatest. always did it in the fall so freezing could heave/ho the ground better. |
Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2017 at 8:29pm
| I bought a cheap 3 point one. I ran it 27" deep with my Series 4 D-17, 1st gear - low side. Dried up a couple of wet spots that showed up a few years ago. I had some terraces that didn't drain right. I set it down in the bottom of the terrace, didn't do as much good as cleaning out the silted in part of the terrace but did cause it to drain better. |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2017 at 11:46pm
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I use my AC subsoiler to go around the edge of fields to cut the tree roots that run out in the fields,some big roots will bring the D15 to a halt real quick.I run low range first to keep from breaking something.Plus lots of rock to hit too around here. |
Posted By: allisrutledge
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2017 at 6:05am
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Here, the the reason for using a subsoiler is to break up the hardpan under the topsoil to allow water to penetrate the subsoil. If the topsoil is dry enough to get traction let it rip. I'm sure there are some areas of the country that the topsoil is tight but that is why we plow.usually the hardpan is just under the topsoil so depth needed may vary. Somewhere between 8 to 16 inches here. Scott ------------- Allis Chalmers still exist in my mind and barns |
Posted By: Brian F(IL)
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2017 at 8:03am
Here are a few pics of mine with the WD-45. Got the subsoiler from Bryan I. (fellow Forum member). I can pull it in 2nd gear easily.    |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2017 at 8:08am
Thats the reason to use a subsoiler in my area to crack the hardpan doesn't much matter what happens to the topsoil.In some places on my place there is a shale subsoil and running a subsoiler will dramatically increase water retention. |
allisrutledge wrote:Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2017 at 9:40am
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Thanks for all the input. This fall I just want to hit some of the high traffic areas where you can see the difference in the crops, some years it's painfully obvious. This also is a way for the 45's to earn their keep around the farm and I just like the seat time. Edit. Thanks for the pics, I will try to take some when in the field. Then if I can just get them to post, Mike. |
Posted By: allisrutledge
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2017 at 9:44am
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In next year's corn field I am subsoiling with tillage radishes. Sprayed glyphosomate in late August and drilled at 10 lb/acre. Going to put on phosphate ,potash and sulphur in December for the corn and only n in the spring and at 16 -20 inch corn. Some of them are 16-18 inches deep and still growing. I guess some hit a rock and had to make a turn but all looks good. I also drilled in late pasture but due to the dry fall they didn't fair as well. I will try again next year in hay/ pasture fields for early winter grazing. So far I like this way and I'm using a lot less fuel! Will know next fall. This is my first attempt at sod planting corn.Scott ------------- Allis Chalmers still exist in my mind and barns |
Posted By: NICKMI
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2017 at 2:28pm
| Hello I just picked one up last weekend it is a pin hitch one and i was wondering if you can convert these to pin hitch ones to snap coupler thanks |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2017 at 5:59pm
Did some Tillage radishes, coupla years ago, it was a low field, with a spring in the low side. Dry fall when I planted them, in late dec and jan, we had pretty good moisture. Next spring, afore the grass was sprouting, you could see water oozin up through the dead radish holes...
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Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2017 at 8:34pm
Radishes after wheat best deep tilllage known to man. ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
Posted By: REEDE
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2017 at 7:18am
| Will be patiently waiting for pictures. |
Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2017 at 8:50pm
  Well, I got out for an hour or so after the big meal today. This may be the most fun tillage tool I've ever used. Did have some trouble with the corn stalks bunching up. I adjusted the beaming screw a couple of times and I think it was running about 16" deep. Can definitely tell when you hit a hard spot.  |
Posted By: GARY(OH/IN)
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2017 at 7:58am
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I bought a 3 point hitch at an auction for $10.00 last summer and tried it on a piece of ground that has a strip through the midldle that is wet all the time. Put it on a AC 5015 with turf tires , Hey that's what I had there, and found out real fast I had to back across the field to the surface outlet. This thing was built for a tractor with 38" wheels. Took off up through the middle a few hundred feet until the turfs started to spin. Maybe 8" - 10" deep. Driilled a couple holes in it and used existing bolt holes and have it at 12 " or so depth. Have been by there once since and see a great improvement in draiinage. Ready to go back when dry enough with a lug tire 5015 and loader to back myself out if I get stuck and go at it. Thinking I would like a potato plow shovel to open it up for more water capacity, rototill and sew grass seed for a home made waterway. |
Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2017 at 8:47am
Reed, not sure what your work schedule is but get a hold of me. I've got plenty of field for you to come down and take a round, or two, or three. |
Posted By: dustinmo
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2017 at 10:31pm
all you have to do is get a snap coupler drawbar and put it in, d series is easiest drawbar to use as its a 1 piece wd or 45 drawbar will work but have to split it to make it fit in the subsoiler |
Posted By: NICKMI
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2017 at 4:41pm
| Thank you Dustin that's what I was wondering I have a few 45 draw bars laying around I will try that thanks again |