Fake History!!
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Category: Allis Chalmers
Forum Name: Farm Equipment
Forum Description: everything about Allis-Chalmers farm equipment
URL: https://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=136524
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Topic: Fake History!!
Posted By: steelwheelAcjim
Subject: Fake History!!
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2017 at 10:26am
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This is not intended to be anything political, so don't overthink the thread subject! It is however, a growing problem that I am running into often. I was reading the latest issue of "Antique Power Magazine". On page 31
there is an advertisement by Bradford Exchange for an AC Heirloom Stein. It depicts a D-17 tractor on the front, and a B on the back. Two things jump out at me:
1. The orange handle is shaped more like IH tinwork, rather than AC. 2. The historical information on the back reads as follows: ""with its roots in heavy equipment manufacturing, Allis Chalmers had the diversity of experience to bring innovation to the move to mechanized farming in the early 1900's. They also revolutionized branding by introducing the now-famous Persian Orange color for their tractors. The beloved D-17 model introduced in 1937 and priced at an affordable $500 for the many farmers who farmed 100 acres or less appears on the front and as a sculptural crown on the lid. The first breakthrough orange model, the Model B from 1929, appears here below."" I am not sure if this is just an honest mistake, or the lack of due care in representing a historical tractor in a collectable piece. It is my humble opinion that if we as collectors and users of A-C's or any other brand wish to continue to teach the next generations about real agricultural history, and its accomplishments, then we must do everything possible to make sure we are passing on the correct historical details to them. I notified Bradford of the error. They responded by saying that the Research and Development department will look into it. ------------- Pre-WW2 A-C tractors on steel wheels...because I'm too cheap to buy tires! |
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Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2017 at 11:08am
| I have a Bradford CooCoo Clock that I got for Christmas. It has a farm scene and WD or WD45 on the front. I don't remember what the certificate of authenticity said and I accidentally burned it with the packaging a few weeks ago. |
Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2017 at 11:09am
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those are quite the errors! ------------- Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20 Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
Posted By: ac45dave
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2017 at 11:28am
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wow,check out rear view and zoom in.not much fact checking done on this. http://www.bradfordexchange.com/products/125718001_allis-chalmers-porcelain-tribute-stein.html?searchTerm=Allis+Chalmers+Stein&N=8125&canonicalUrl=%2Fsearch%2Fallis%2Bchalmers%2Bstein.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.bradfordexchange.com/products/125718001_allis-chalmers-porcelain-tribute-stein.html?searchTerm=Allis+Chalmers+Stein&N=8125&canonicalUrl=%2Fsearch%2Fallis%2Bchalmers%2Bstein.html
------------- 54 wd-45gas ; 56 wd-45d N/F w/fact p/s ; 63 d-17 sIII N/F gas ; 60 D14 N/F ; 67 d-17 sIV N/F gas ; 63D15 sII W/F; 39rc#667 ; 2021 massey 4710 fwa ; gravely 2 wheel tractors |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2017 at 11:36am
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I saw the errors too in the ad in Antique Power. Hard to believe an outfit could make such big mistakes! Way too expensive, especially considering the misinformation on it. I wonder if the production run has been done or if they take orders before manufacturing them. If there are only a few with the mistakes, THOSE would be the real collectors items! Obviously they didn't consult anyone on the Forum. LOL ------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2017 at 11:47am
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Thinking about it some more got me so upset I fired off an email to them too! ------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2017 at 12:12pm
| thats real bad at least they could get the handle right, why would an allis guy want a half farmall ? i did not see a place to send an e mail |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2017 at 12:26pm
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Guess that'd how rumors get started |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2017 at 12:27pm
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Wow, that handle is right off an H! lol! ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2017 at 1:44pm
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I clicked on the orange link and was autodirected to the CANADIAN website ! arrrgh.....
------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Bill_MN
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2017 at 2:47pm
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And to think it's FULLY LICENSED....yeah, fully licensed crap! By the Archer Well Company no less... ------------- 1951 WD #78283, 1918 Case 28x50 Thresher #76738, Case Centennial B 2x16 Plow |
Posted By: Nathan (SD)
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2017 at 2:52pm
| China man at factroy have trouble with tranzlachion. |
Posted By: B26240
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2017 at 3:05pm
| How many of us have been at AC tractor shows where vendors are selling the metal signs with a picture of a UC and saying it's a WC ? Good for you guys that responded to them via e-mails after all how they going to learn unless someone teaches them. |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2017 at 3:22pm
| yep that handle is right off a farmall "H" or "M"! dum azzes |
Posted By: JimWenigOH
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2017 at 4:13pm
| Speaking of Fake History, I was up at the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn, MI a few years ago. They had on display a JD 7000 series planter listed as the first no-till planter...NOT. |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2017 at 6:38pm
Methinks they tried out the mug, afore writing the history...
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Posted By: Bob D. (La)
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2017 at 6:43pm
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That is just so wrong in so many ways. Hard to believe they actually produced it. ------------- When you find yourself in a hole,PUT DOWN THE SHOVEL!!! |
Posted By: steelwheelAcjim
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2017 at 6:46pm
That's the type of crap I deal with. Misinformation, totally wrong information, or a completely new narrative. And...you don't even need the internet to see it. Maybe the "Correct Police" are not that bad after all? At least they care about being accurate. ------------- Pre-WW2 A-C tractors on steel wheels...because I'm too cheap to buy tires! |
JimWenigOH wrote:Posted By: steelwheelAcjim
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2017 at 6:53pm
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https://www.bradfordexchange.com/service_contact-us.html Use this link to make a complaint. You will have to fill in the required boxes for your personal information. Leave a comment about this screw-up in the comment section. C'mon collectors and users of A-C equipment, Lets defend a lasting legacy!!!!
------------- Pre-WW2 A-C tractors on steel wheels...because I'm too cheap to buy tires! |
Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2017 at 6:56pm
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They push that crap out and hope that many AC people have many folks that won't know and buy them as gifts for their loved ones!
------------- D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446 |
Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2017 at 7:16pm
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Somebody needs to start over again and do their homework! If first you don't succeed, try, try, again.... LOL!
------------- 39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife |
Posted By: corbinstein
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2017 at 6:29am
| I think that they should be forced to recall that stuff. That'll teach em. Now if we can just get the ASDA, FDA or somebody like that involved....LOL Wait, you drink with it right? It comes from China? How much Lead might be in it? |
Posted By: Dusty MI
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2017 at 8:13am
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They probably molded a lot of those handles for IHC mugs/steins, then only print as many of the pictures that go around the mugs as needed, easier to print more pictures than mould more handles. Dusty ------------- 917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express" |
Posted By: Alberta Phil
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2017 at 9:48am
| Could be worse. Could have been a green handle!!! LOL |
Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2017 at 11:05am
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Their R and D people need leave; now. Always wanted to use a ";" ,just never had a need to. I too have seen the Farmall handle on stein, the UC tin with the WC title and its CA seat spring. My favorite has to be the Last Of The Line 6070 S.N. 1971 toy, but we all know the last 6070 was S.N. 1972. You can just buy the last 6070 at the auction, me, I want the second to the last 6070 and have everyone buying a numbered toy of my tractor. ------------- 2-8070FWA PS/8050PS/7080/7045PS/200/D15-II/2-WD45/WD/3-WC/UC/C |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2017 at 12:34pm
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I got a reply back that they are looking into it. Wonder what that means. I don't know what Pat charges for a full page ad in Antique Power but I'll bet it's a bunch! Can't imagine many AC collectors buying such a mistake. I wonder if they have a Binder (IHC) mug? ------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2017 at 12:40pm
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Sure enough! They've got three Farmall steins, $79.95 each. All told, they've got a chitpot of steins, most pretty ugly IMHO!
------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2017 at 6:00am
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OK.. as a 'diversion' from the 'cracked stack' I have to deal ,with I was curious about the steins... I ALWAYS get redirected to the Canadian BE website. So, I emailed them, turns out they do NOT allow Canadians to buy from the American website and have items shipped into Canada! Gets better. They ALSO do NOT allow Canadians to order from the USA and have product sent to any US address !!! Idiots. I'm sorry guys, but I can't surprise buy/ship any 'rare' A-C steins to you. Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2017 at 6:41am
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Funny, NOT, how the 1929 B has a starter and distributor too!
------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2017 at 6:52am
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I just sent an email to "Product Information". It may not be the right place and will most likely be deleted. Here is my email content: Is your Allis Chalmers stein a result of piss poor research, poor translation, or just plain lack of interest in getting things right? The handle is a great representation of a Farmall M or H, a competitor of Allis. The D17 was introduced in 1957 at considerably more than $500. And the B was introduced in 1937 and didn't have electric start or a distributor as pictured on the "stein". Somebody SHOULD lose their job for this ridiculous example of lackawanna. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2017 at 9:12am
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Well ,This is why u look at stuff real good before u buy it. Do not understand why this would up set anyone real bad. U see stuff like all the time .A person that knows it is wrong will not buy it CORRECT ????.Don't sweat the small things that don't cost u anything . You really think any thing sent to them will change anything . ------------- He who dies with the most toys is, nonetheless ,still dead. If all else fails ,Read all that is PRINTED. Just because you do not have the tools for job , it dose not make it a bad design. |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2017 at 9:34am
| years ago...local Allis dealer ran an ad in the local paper. the paper people put a picture of a green tractor in the ad. the dealer blew up and wanted a retraction, the paper said a tractor is a tractor. dealer said he wanted to put another ad in their paper. stating: no one should buy this newspaper, buy the big city newspaper as this one is just a poorly run gossup paper! they ran a retraction! they also learned that different colored equipment denotes different manufacturers! |
Posted By: Rog(NCWI)
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2017 at 8:18pm
| They will catch some poor sucker and sell him the so called Allis-Chalmers mug and make money on it. A person really has to check out stuff these days and know what you are buying. |
Posted By: JPG AUSTRALIA
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2017 at 7:35am
| Its not the collector who will buy it but his wife or mum or kids and then you feel bad knowing its sh-t ,but they think you love it. And every time you use it it grates on you.. |
Posted By: Jim NEIN
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2017 at 11:29am
| Yea someone did'nt do their homework, nice looking except for the handle.Got one in the mail a couple weeks ago,don't know why because I did not order it.H.ave'nt paid for it |