Detroit in Allis 440
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Topic: Detroit in Allis 440
Posted By: 7060
Subject: Detroit in Allis 440
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2017 at 8:08pm
| I was wondering if by chance anyone knew who had the 6v71 powered 440? I was wanting to talk to them if that was possible. I've seen a picture of it, but would like some more pictures and to know how tolerable it was in the cab. My 555 cummins is junk, and without stretching the frame I'm stuck with a 3208 Cat or 6v71/6v92. |
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Posted By: LeonR2013
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2017 at 8:56pm
| I would think that a 6V92 would be a more viable option than a 6/71. But I really don't know how hard it would be to adapt it. Have more power also, but not so much it would tear things. Uh, maybe. |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2017 at 10:16pm
| 6V92 TA is 350hp...use it wisely |
Posted By: CALEBnOK
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2017 at 11:33pm
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6v71 is almost bullet proof. 92 series had their fair share of issues. 440 will take 350 hp. Same finals transmission and drop box as Tiger II's. Buggest difference is that the frames on 440's and bearcats arent has heavy. Steigers moto was 100lbs per hp un balasted. So a steiger at 325hp should weigh 32,500 lbs. |
Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2017 at 5:42am
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George Nesbit has a 440 with a 6V71 is his 300 A-C collection. I was a the auction when he bought it. Google World's largest A-C collection ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: Jwmac7060
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2017 at 10:23am
| An 8.3 Cummins will fit in it without stretching it I beleieve |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2017 at 11:12am
| I would want to talk to someone who had driven the old 71 serries motor in a tractor before I put it in. Those motors will run forever but they have about the world's narrowest torque curve. We had a truck with one of them I think it was the 6 71 and you had to shift that thing all the time and keep the that motor spinning at high rpm or it would just bog right down. They are great with a constant load but hills in the field or anything that changes the load forget it After driving that truck and the stories I heard about people who converted farmall M tractors to the 2 71 I would look for a different motor. To bad because they are old school American with a true diesel sound. |
Posted By: grinder220
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2017 at 11:30am
| I agree with Dan, I wouldn't want an old "screamin jimmy" in tractor personally,well except an oliver 1900. Them detroits had to wide open to pull anything. Plus I wouldn't want to listen to it scream all day. |
Posted By: 7060
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2017 at 2:02pm
| I'm not a fan of cummins engines especially the 555. I do have a 270hp 3306 cat that I really wanted to stick in there, but without stretching the frame about 8" it just isn't going to fit. I wouldn't mind the 3208, but would rather have the 3208T to atleast get to 250hp. I've never ran anything with a Detroit. I've talked to guys that say they aren't that bad to listen to, but I'm afraid wide open in a tractor it will be worse. I found a 6v92 locally that is cheap, but I don't want to have to wear ear muffs when I run it. |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2017 at 2:14pm
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I have a cummins in my case 5240 and I would take that over a detroit any day. It would wipe the floor with that detroit 72 serries we had in our truck. |
Posted By: Carl(NWWI)
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2017 at 2:30pm
| What's wrong with the 555? I'm currently rebuilding a V504 for our Versatile |
Posted By: Jwmac7060
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2017 at 2:55pm
| I'd take a 555 over a 3208 any day of the week...We have one in our 555 versatile and as long as you don't pull it like a 275 HP 4 WD you will be fine...I wouldnt have a slobbering Detroit in a tractor especially a 440 Allis with as noisy of a cab as they already are. No v8 is good but the 555 is about as good as they get in that size of a tractor |
Posted By: Dgrader
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2017 at 4:51pm
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A triple nickel in the 440 screams bad enough. I couldn't stand it with a detroit. If ya wanna go deaf, put one in. ------------- Ya cain't fix stupid. |
Posted By: JPG AUSTRALIA
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2017 at 5:26pm
| Ive seen two transplants over here ,one with a 6v 53 detroit and another with an 8.3 cummins. |
Posted By: Jwmac7060
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2017 at 5:27pm
| 8.3 Cummins is the way to go if you're not gonna go back with the 555 |
Posted By: 7060
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2017 at 5:56pm
| That tells me all I need to know on the Detroit, I'll scratch that. We have 12 machines with cat engines and 2 with cummins. One is a tractor with an 8.3 that dad bought new and it broke the crankshaft at 1200hrs. The other is a N14 in a semi that has been to the shop 7 times for injector fault codes and $5000 later it's still not fixed. The only problem we've had with a cat engine is a heui pump went out at 7200hrs. We have 2 dump trucks with 3208's and they may not be a powerful truck engine at 54,000lbs but they will start at zero degrees as soon as you hit the switch. I just thought if I could get an extra 100hp from a engine the same size it might be worth it if the noise level wasn't too bad. I haven't even got a chance to run the 440, because it seems to have some stuck valves and it was parked for getting coolant in the oil. |
Posted By: Jwmac7060
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2017 at 6:02pm
| Think about how underpowered the dump trucks are and think about running a doggy tractor like that all day...Having to have it wrapped out before dropping your implememt in the ground...As far as your luck with Cummins, you are the exception to the rule...The 8.3 is a great motor and the big block N14 when running correctly will absolutely destroy a 3406 Cat motor..I've run them both in trucks and thr N14 in a tractor is a beast...Best torque in the industry...Give the Cummins another try...The 3208 is weak in a farm tractor |
Posted By: Carl(NWWI)
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2017 at 6:10pm
| Oil in the coolant...I know that feeling. The Cummins V8 was good for that. Terrible cavitation issues. That's why our V504 is apart. But, a little JB weld in the pitting and new sleeves and orings and we'll be back in business soon! |
Posted By: 7060
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2017 at 6:17pm
| I'm not trying to argue or put down cummins. I'm just not much of a cummins person. The 3208 is more motor than the 555 is and if I go with the 3208 I would rather have the turbo to get a little more yet. There's a lot more 3208's to choose from than a 555 and the parts for them are readily available. I bought a Pete with a 470hp acert in it and it feels like more truck than the 500hp N14 did. |
Posted By: Carl(NWWI)
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2017 at 6:33pm
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I've had no problem getting parts for the 504. Most parts are the same on a 555. Only thing you have to remember is your putting a bigger engine in the same tractor you pulled the triple nickle out of...The rest is still only rated for what it was build to handle |
Posted By: grinder220
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2017 at 6:54pm
| An N14 makes slightly less torque than a 3406 in any form (A-B-C-E) when comparing hp to hp. There's charts out there to compare the 2. Dont know what a 555 makes but a 3208T cranks 620 ft.lbs @200 hp and at 250hp it makes 640 ft.lbs. both at 1200 rpm. Keep in mind the big 8550 allis only makes slightly over 600 ft.lbs of torque but still pulls like a freight train. 8.3 Cummins is a good motor but I personally prefer Cat over cummins. I've ran both Cat and Cummins in floaters,tractors and big trucks. The semi I drive now has a 3406b turning over 500hp (yes its turned up)and it will blow the doors off a 500 cummins and leave a nice black cloud behind me. We've had more problems with the cummins engines then any cat engine we've ever had. Which ever way you go stay away from the Detroit. |
Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2017 at 7:39pm
| how about that 640 v8 perkins |
Posted By: Jwmac7060
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2017 at 10:41pm
| 3406b was one of the best cat made...Had two of them once and look Ed them...Switched to Cummins and loved them as well...None of the new ones with all the emissions on them are worth a damn...If you put the 3208 in the 440 check the drive lines and transmission to make sure it can handle it |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2017 at 12:24am
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HudCo, you must really want to make a guy unhappy! I've heard the Perkins V8 makes an excellent boat anchor.... As for the Detroit, I've been told and maybe read on this forum, that the only way to run one in a truck is to start up the truck, let it warm up for a couple minutes, take a good sized hammer out of the tool box and slam it onto your thumb as hard as you can, then drive it like you feel! ------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2017 at 12:52am
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John, that drive it like you feel... reminded me of a time I went with my nephew to haul a crawler home, the rig was an old IH semi tractor with a 6-71 in it and a step deck heavy trailer. The owner of the outfit told nephew to drive it like your mad at it. We left his yard and was pussy-footen it along and it just was sluggish and didn't quite shift right and stuff. Finally I reminded him of what the owner had said... and he drove it like he was mad at it and boy that did the trick, and everything just seemed to work better. LOL ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: wayneIA
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2017 at 1:03am
| The semi I have has a 6V92 TA Detroit in it, it is a little noisy but not as bad as what was in the older Olivers (or my HD-5 crawler) that are naturally aspirated. It does have a muffler though which helps a lot compared to a straight pipe. A 4 stroke will have more torque and will be quieter, but you need to like and understand the Detroit diesels in order to tolerate them in equipment. The turbo does help to significantly quiet the engine noise, but it will be loud enough yet. My truck doesn't have the greatest of noise dampening (1980 L9000 Ford) and has the "doghouse" in the cab to get the engine noise a little closer to you also. Looking at the 218 engine HP of the 440, the 8.3 Cummins will comfortably make that and more for a long time. If you straight pipe it and it is like the 8.3 in the R series Gleaners or the IH combines you'll have just as much cab noise as the Detroit. When the neighbor starts his 2188 in his shed a 1/3 of a mile away, I can hear it at my place. I'm so happy in the fall when he is done running the two closest fields to me so I can sleep again (work 3rd shift). The 6V92 TA Detroits make pretty good torque down to about 1400-1500 RPM unlike the older natural aspirated 71 series Detroit. |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2017 at 6:40am
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Just think, if you put a 3208 in the 440, you'd have a replica of the prototype that is in all the books. Very few ever notice the engine in the pictured tractor is Cat powered, not Cummins 555 lol! A turbo 3208 would be a much better engine than the 555 na, and the turbo engines are much better built than the early na engines. ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2017 at 6:40am
You must be a very light sleeper. I work shift work and if the help is running the FW30 with a straight piped VT 903 it doesn't wake me. The 903 can be heard 3 miles away. ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
wayneIA wrote:Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2017 at 6:52am
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I agree with Wayne. I've owned a variety of different powered trucks over the years. Say what you like but I still have a soft spot for the old Detroits. Love the sound of a 12V71. I have a 78 Ford LTN 9000 with a 290 Cummins that I bought new. Also had a 78 Ford LTS 9000 with a 6V92 Detroit. Earlier I had a 75 Ford LT 9000 tractor with a 8V71. The 6V92 had a lower recommended shift point then the Cummins and had it all over the 8V71. The 6V92 was set at the max 335 hp and pulled like it. They have 3 power setting. The green ones had some issues but mine was good. The silver version cleaned up most leaks and were better. My wife's uncle had a dozen Fords at one time all with 8V92's pulling double dump trains and loved them. I have an '97 Ford Aeromax now with one of the last 3176 Cats and it does very well for 365 hp. Great torque. ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: LeonR2013
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2017 at 7:01am
| One of the best sounding trucks I ever heard was a 903 no turbo with straight pipes. Sounded just like an extremely healthy V8 Chebby only louder. |
Posted By: grinder220
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2017 at 7:07am
| Would a DT466 fit? That's another damn good engine. |
Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2017 at 10:46am
| just thought i bring up the big perkins but a 3208 would be a good choice , it would be very hard to beat all the benifits of the cummins |
Posted By: jiminnd
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2017 at 11:01am
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The Stiegers of that era and size used 3208, about only difference in 440 was the Cummins, didn't think ether one was a great puller. ------------- 1945 C, 1949 WF and WD, 1981 185, 1982 8030, unknown D14(nonrunner) |
Posted By: Oldred
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2017 at 12:02pm
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I think you need to re-think the Detroit ! This almost seems like it has an auto tranny but probably just the way the power director shifts nicely ? I would be tempted to do this. lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWwF5o-sVgs |
Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2017 at 2:17pm
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I had a new Ford LN 8000 single axle straight truck that pulled a trailer at times. It was had a 3208 under the hood (was going to say powered but that would have been wrong). It could barely pull a hen off a nest. Turbo version may have been better. Likely could have pulled a rooster! ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: 45 turboa-
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2017 at 4:44pm
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30 plus year ago I drove a dump truck for a friend of mine in Florida he had a 70s Ford L 9000 I think. It was a tandem 15 yard box with a 3208 Cat and a 13 sp road ranger loaded you never seen 13. 45 may 50 with a tail wind but a sweet running engine ! I think you would be OK with a 3208 in that 440. Let see some pictures when your done what ever you decide. ------------- turbocharged |
Posted By: 7060
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2017 at 6:55pm
| We have a Jasper reman 3208 in a tandem axle Gmc top kick 5+2 with a 20' steel bed. We used to haul grain with it, but now mainly just gravel and scrap iron. With 600 bushels of corn on it 55mph isn't a problem. They are pretty snappy little engines when your empty though. I will be posting pictures of it as I go, but probably won't get started on it until after planting. |
Posted By: ac fleet
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2017 at 7:18pm
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What causes the coolant to get in the oil on the 555's? ---any ideas?----kinda need to know!! LOL!!!! As for Detroits ,--I had an Oliver Super 99 GM tractor and people 5 miles away were complaining about the noise!!! ----it had a 3-71 with 105 injectors in it (smoked like 500 tires burning!)--- 4' straight pipe and you stuffed all the cotton that you could find in your ears ,----wasn't bad,---kinda fun actually!!---We had 1 farm just outside the village of downs , and I always farmed it late at night or 2 in the morning!---Got LOTS of reaction on that venture! LOL!!! thanks ; ac fleet |
Posted By: CALEBnOK
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2017 at 10:24pm
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Ive got a 3406c I need finish converting to a truck engine. In factory form it made 540hp and 2626ft. Its got the 599 hp rack settings now plus a truck timing advance. Its an industrial so it had no advance, locked at 18°. Now it will go to 27°! Ill definitely be running a Pyrometer on that dude. Now if i could find a steiger Tiger 3 or versatile 1150 with a bad cummins id stick in. |
Posted By: wayneIA
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2017 at 12:35am
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You must be a very light sleeper. I work shift work and if the help is running the FW30 with a straight piped VT 903 it doesn't wake me. The 903 can be heard 3 miles away. [/QUOTE]
The neighbors 8.3 is straight piped and I've never heard any other make or model of engine (other Cummins engines included) that makes the amount or type of noise that 8.3 does. It doesn't make a turbo "whistle" or anything like that, it is a "squall" for a lack of a better describing word. Dad always said that if he had a piece of equipment that sounded like it does, he would shut it off and fix what was broken. The noise it makes is a pitch that penetrates walls of a house and just drones on you. It's almost as grating on your ears as finger nails on a chalk board. I haven't been around the 8.3 powered Gleaners, but am told they sound similar.
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Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2017 at 5:50am
| That is why the make muflers. Don't straight pipe it then complain it is loud. |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2017 at 6:38am
The neighbors 8.3 is straight piped and I've never heard any other make or model of engine (other Cummins engines included) that makes the amount or type of noise that 8.3 does. It doesn't make a turbo "whistle" or anything like that, it is a "squall" for a lack of a better describing word. Dad always said that if he had a piece of equipment that sounded like it does, he would shut it off and fix what was broken. The noise it makes is a pitch that penetrates walls of a house and just drones on you. It's almost as grating on your ears as finger nails on a chalk board. I haven't been around the 8.3 powered Gleaners, but am told they sound similar. [/QUOTE] Huh? We have a R62 with Cummins, a semi with a 8.3, a repowered 7580 with a 8.3, and a Rogator with a 5.9 plus the straight piped VT903. Other than the 903 none are louder than a 426. The 903 just has a good bark. None are as hard as the D17 when you work it on a person hearing. ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2017 at 7:16am
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Huh, my neighbor's 2366 out growls my L2 with 670T 426. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2017 at 12:33pm
No matter how you set that Cat, there is no way you could convince me it would ever keep up with a KTA 1150, and live! 893 cid 3406, to 1150 cid. HP setting is only part of the equation. The torque is what moves the world! ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: Oldred
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2017 at 2:06pm
| The Cat equivalent would be the 3408 from that vintage or a newer C18 would be more of a fit in a Steiger Tiger and not worry about any pyro's. Not only would you be down in torque but you would lose weight up front. |
Posted By: TimNearFortWorth
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2017 at 2:34pm
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Ran 3408's and 12's in early 80's, Wyoming, big pulling units chasing drilling rigs on completions/workovers. Screaming Jimmies were kept for pumps (8V and 12V92's) but Jimmies faded quickly on newer mobile rigs coming into the area that were rated at 15,000' and deeper. CAT's had steady torque coming out of the slips when coming off bottom on 18,000' foot wells with large tubing strings weighing 250K+ including drill collars. Were faster as the Jimmy had to have time to "rap up" when you pulled out of the slips and by the time she topped out it was nearly time to shut her down on that 60' stand of pipe pulled. Ran one we had with SXS 3412's and a Noster Box, that girl could come off bottom at 300,000# plus without breaking a sweat. Had to remove the derrick on her for transport as I recall she was close to 100K weight without the derrick. Had a trooper at a port of entry put a tape measure on her from one outboard valve cover to the other once and he advised she was barely road width legal. Good ol' days for sure as people got out of your way when they met us and bettin there is still handprints on some of those rigs steering wheels from driving them up/down mountain switchback rig roads, always kept the door unlatched myself, ready to bail. |
Posted By: Jwmac7060
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2017 at 5:32pm
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No cat would out do the KTA motor |
Posted By: grinder220
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2017 at 6:22pm
 the mighty KTA 1500 isn't as much of a beast as people make it out to be. Here's a chart with HP and torque specs for Cummins Engines. Cross it over with the caterpillar spec sheet and the cummins isn't to impressive.
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Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2017 at 7:30pm
| that kta 1150 is a pretty mean old engine but that would probley more the 1693 cat days by the way that 1693 and 3408 pre cup sure had a sound of there own, but back to the 440 i think the 3208 would be an easy swap , allot of those old 1160 v8 cats looked exactly like a3208 and they were gutless, i worked on one 1160 that 3208 badgeing |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2017 at 7:31pm
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compare a juiced cat to a stock kta, then yes, the cat can run with it, for a while, but juice the kta and it can produce way more than 600 hp, and live a long time. We're talking 30 years difference in technology as well. Some of the modern technology can be applied to the kta also. More modern turbo-charger for one. There is simply no replacement for displacement. ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: Dans 7080
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2017 at 8:18pm
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A good buddy of mine does heavy haul. He has a 79 359 with a KT1150 in it and "cat" mud flaps on it. He would stop at the rest area at the bottom of jelico mountain, watch 15 or 20 trucks go past then hit the road. He would start passing them in short time at 150k lbs. The cb rang out one day when one driver said " man that is one good running kitty" before he could answer another driver said " ain't no way that's a cat, that's a KT!" I'm a cat man all the way and so is he but the old KTs are hard to beat. ------------- When someone tells you Nothings Impossible, Tell them to slam a revolving door |
Posted By: 7060
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2017 at 8:57pm
| A KTA might have been a big motor in the day, but cat can reliably get the same numbers out of the C15, and the C16 is that stout out of the gate. I think I'm going to look for a 3208T. Is anyone interested in the 555 whole or parts? I think it will run, but I haven't messed with it much. |
Posted By: GM Guy
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2017 at 11:10am
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For ease of swapping, I vote 3208T. The later turboed 3208s were good engines, and if there are any specific parts you need for the swap, the green version of the same tractor will have the parts.
Cummins is affordable to work on, but IMO they are not all they are cracked up to be. Some guys with Dodge/Cummins pickups act like Jesus Christ himself was on the engineering team. I like Cat stuff, the guy I work for part time during harvest has a few (3 3408 powered trucks, 1 3406) but I dont like the weight penalty and the cost of parts, so we generally pick out Cummins 855 powered trucks for our own stuff. ------------- Gleaner: the properly engineered and built combine. If you need parts for your Gleaner, we are parting out A's through L2's, so we may be able to help. |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2017 at 12:24pm
I like my Cummins especially the 8.3 I won't go as far as saying Jesus was on the engineering team but won't rule out a apostle or two may have been on the engineering team. I ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
Posted By: ghostriderinthesky
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2017 at 12:41pm
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i would not hesitate for one second. i would put the 6V71 in it!!! i have run detroits and cats the 3208 and the 6v71,just not in the same tractor as yours. the 3208 is a great engine but it has its limitations. the 6v71 is bulletproof and will operate on less fuel. the "screaming Detroit" just isn't true. put a good muffler on it and it won't be any louder that a cat. the 3208 was pretty common to throw a rod in steigers |
Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2017 at 12:47pm
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Screaming Detroits sound like they are turning fast because they are two stroke engines, with each cylinder firing every crankshaft revolution. Nearly all the rest of the world's internal combustion engines are 4 stroke so each cylinder fires just every other crankshaft revolution. Gerald J. |
Posted By: ghostriderinthesky
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2017 at 1:02pm
| true!!! detroits are two cycle and there is no exhaust stroke. the blower on the side evacuates the exhaust gasses when the piston is on the bottom of its stroke. i think the nickname "screaming detroit" came from the run away syndrome some had when the block drains were closed or plugged and unburned fuel in worn engines would build up in the block until it started being taken in on the bottom of the stroke and the engine would self destruct. |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2017 at 1:30pm
| You can muffler the exhaust all you want, the scream of those engines is just unreal; nowadays, we have two in cranes and I luv to rev them , but dam they get annoying fast |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2017 at 2:41pm
2x The reason we called our a screaming detroit was that it was gutless unless she was wide open and screaming at you. |
Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2017 at 3:21pm
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I think the biggest oil source at the intake can be seals on the blower shaft. Somewhere I have a shop manual because I wanted to learn more about those two stroke engines. Just that the 2 stroke engine exhaust sounds like a 4 stroke engine at half the speed, so at 3000 rpm the detroit sounds like a 4 stroke engine with the same number of cylinders turning 6000 RPM. My Fiesta Echo Boost 3 cylinder is just the opposite. At 6000 RPM it sounds like a 6 cylinder engine just getting into its cruising range. The 1 liter engine claims 123 hp at 6500 rpm, helped by direct injection and a turbo. Gerald J. |
Posted By: LeonR2013
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2017 at 4:45pm
| Talking about the KTA, they were good engines, but they did have one flaw that created problems. If it was turned to 600 HP you didn't want to twist it over 2100. They had a tendency to loosen the liners. But if you drove them like you had some sence they did good. But that's true about just all engines isn't it? |
Posted By: CALEBnOK
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2017 at 6:54pm
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I just pulled this out of my 359. Fun to drive for about an hour. After that its annoying 8v71 318hp. 270 cummins will out pull it. Its getting the big yellow kitty behind it in the second photo.  
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Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2017 at 9:10pm
 
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