I killed my payloader but good this morning
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Topic: I killed my payloader but good this morning
Posted By: darrel in ND
Subject: I killed my payloader but good this morning
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2017 at 10:03am
| My 645 has really been one problem after another all fall and winter, and I thought I may have finally gotten the upper hand on it. But it told me different this morning. Was pushing some snow with it to try to find some bare ground to feed the cows on, and she let out a gut wrenching sound, quit moving, and now she has one bad hammering sound going on between the engine and transmission, whenever the engine is running. My guess is something in the torque converter area is in a very bad way. Scrap iron anybody. ...? Darrel |
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Posted By: Dozer
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2017 at 10:29am
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I remember looking at an old Allis Chalmers that was for sale that had a large hole in the block where it thru a rod. The owner cut the rod off leaving the large end on the crankshaft. It still ran and didn't sound too awful. I didn't buy it. It takes a lot to put down an AC Good Luck |
Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2017 at 10:31am
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sometimes the worst sounds are the easy fixes . IF you weren't so far away a 645 could have new owner .. liked the machines when I ran one ------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2017 at 10:54am
| Oh, I absolutely love it when it's up and running good. I can move more snow with that in 5 minutes, than I can with the farm loader tractor all day long. I have only owned this for a little over two years, and have discovered more stupid things that has been done to it by someone who worked on it in the past than anything I've ever seen. I wish I could find another one just like it, that I could afford. Rebuilt tranny for it is 7,500. And if I put one in it, I would do something with the engine at the same time. When the smoke all cleared, I'd probably have 20 grand into it. In all honesty, I'd be ok putting the 20 grand into it, if I had it. Darrel |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2017 at 2:19pm
| I spose yer gonna work on it outside too? better gits Cody to haul that new machine he just got out to ya! |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2017 at 3:05pm
no, I am going to haul it to your house, and you're going to fix it for me. And finance it through your Shameless National Bank and Trust. (The word "trust" is used rather loosely here) Lol Darrel |
shameless (ne) wrote:Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2017 at 5:06pm
| Shameless National Bank & Pretty White |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2017 at 6:27pm
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Yes Shameless is more into snow "banks", then he is into the financial type. I went back and started the payloader up again tonight to see if the hydraulics worked. They don't. I don't know exactly what couples the engine to the transmission, but whatever it is, I am sure that it is toast. Darrel |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2017 at 8:08am
Coke, you saying that if I lived out near Minn/St Paul, I would be able to sell this pretty easily. .? Or you saying if I was close to you, you'd buy it. .? Either way, I guess it's kind of irrelevant, because it's not out there, my wife says it's not getting sold (she has a few dollars into it, also), and around here, I don't think I could give it away. If money wasn't an object, it would be in a shop already, getting a rebuilt transmission and engine. Rebuilt transmission is 7,500 bucks. And if Steve Fisher from Sleepy Eye would still have one of them government surplus 3500 engines for sale at 3,500 bucks, then 11 K would buy the two key components. I know there are lots and lots of other stuff that would add up fast, but even if a person got up into the 20 K range, and it lasted another 20 years, that'd only be a thousand bucks a year. Not bad for a good payloader. Darrel |
Posted By: Eric B
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2017 at 12:25pm
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I agree with Coke...could be an easier fix than you think. Once you pull the engine out you'll most likely know right away what's up. The biggest hurdle is getting the courage to pull the engine...it's kind of labour intensive. You need to focus on how much fun it will be to have it running again!! ------------- Currently- WD,WC,3WF's,2 D14's B. Previously- I 600,TL745,200,FL9,FR12,H3,816 LBH. Earth has no sorrow that Heaven cannot heal! |
Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2017 at 1:39pm
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Darrel. i looked a the parts book and its likely the flexible disks that couple the flywheel to the converter. From what i see the hydraulics would drive off the accessory gear on the back of the converter, so if they arnt working it might be as simple as pulling the engine and getting the new drive disks. Converter drive section starts on p. 73 if you dont have a paper copy http:////www.minnpar.com/partbooks/WHEEL%20LOADER%20MANUALS/FIAT-ALLIS%20WHEEL%20LOADER%20MANUALS/645%20PM%20PRIOR%20TO%20SN%202032.pdf" rel="nofollow - http:////www.minnpar.com/partbooks/WHEEL%20LOADER%20MANUALS/FIAT-ALLIS%20WHEEL%20LOADER%20MANUALS/645%20PM%20PRIOR%20TO%20SN%202032.pdf ------------- Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20 Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2017 at 4:06pm
| is the 840 that much dif? |
Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2017 at 4:17pm
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Was looking at couple posts on the machine - says the engine was the weak spot . Replacement engines installed and make good machines I ran one for one summer a friend had bought it on a lease buyout . Well after 22 months of ownership - he couldn't make last 2 payments and turned it back in - heck for the 2 payments left I could have owned it but he never offered Hard now in this area to find anyone who even knows AC made construction equipment - only a few of us diehards that know any name other than CAT Was a scrap yard in St Paul that was running 2 of them in yard - but place is gone now as well as loaders . ------------- Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something. "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2017 at 6:00pm
I'm not sure how allis numbered there payloaders. I now 545,645, 745, ,945 all have a lot in common. Not sure how the ones that end in 40 fit into the picture. If I could find my Norm Swinford construction equipment book, that would help. Darrel |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2017 at 6:06pm
| Cal, I was looking through my service manual, and I came to the same conclusion as you on the flex plate being the problem. Looks like pulling the engine and fixing it wouldn't be the end of the world. But I sure don't like the idea of pulling an engine and putting it back in when I know full well that the engine should get some attention that I can't afford before it goes back in. And since the engine would be out anyway, the transmission should be replaced at the same time. Darrel |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2017 at 6:23pm
840 was an inter-departmental fight, within construction and industrial departments of AC. it was built in Deerfield, but engineered at Topeka... Main difference is that the 845 never came out , they increased capacity in the 45 series, and it came out as the 945, a 6 yd machine, the 840 was smaller, a 1.75 yard machine...
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Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2017 at 2:51am
| Looks like our weather may be above 0 for at least the next 10 days, so I think I am going to pull the engine right where it died, and see what damage, or fix I can put to it. It would be tough to try to pull the big old gal anywhere due to the nature of the place where it died, and all of the snow around here. 185 should lift the engine right out. Darrel |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2017 at 5:44am
| yep...and lose about nuff screws and bolts to make it worth while! |
Posted By: Eric B
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2017 at 2:14pm
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You go for it Darrel while you have courage and motivation! The longer something like that is left the more will power it takes to get started. I remember talking to a guy that bought a brand new 645...he was so impressed with it. When he knew I had a 745 he mentioned that there was a somewhat common challenge that used to occur to do with converter/ring gear/transmission drive on some 645's and I suppose the design would be the same on 545, 645 & 745 at the time. I never did find out the specifics but I wish I would have. This guy is dead and gone now but there has to be someone out there that has run into the same problem that could contribute helpful information. ------------- Currently- WD,WC,3WF's,2 D14's B. Previously- I 600,TL745,200,FL9,FR12,H3,816 LBH. Earth has no sorrow that Heaven cannot heal! |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2017 at 5:03pm
| Thanks for the encouragement, Eric. I hope that my son can gather up a couple of his motor head buddies to join in on the fun. I just can't climb around on that thing like I would need to be able to, in order to do it without some young help. I can't stress enough how well I like this machine when it's working good. I blame moat of my problems that I've had with it on the previous owner, and not on the design of the machine. Darrel |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2017 at 11:09pm
| according to my book,there are 3 flex drive disc plates(stacked together)that bolt to the flywheel and are bolted to the center portion of the converter.Probably broke something in there.Maybe after something (bolts)came loose?..or were not tightened by the PO? |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2017 at 11:28pm
| I gots a good engine ona combine you might be able to adapt? |
Posted By: Eric B
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2017 at 12:14am
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Shameless...you got me thinking, couldn't you convert a combine into an awesome snowblower?? Don't know if you get snow where you live but Darrel could blow snow with it where he lives...now that his loader is down... ------------- Currently- WD,WC,3WF's,2 D14's B. Previously- I 600,TL745,200,FL9,FR12,H3,816 LBH. Earth has no sorrow that Heaven cannot heal! |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2017 at 7:59am
| shucks Eric...ole Darrell has a snow blower and can puts it on his big tractor, but he won't does it! and yes, lots of farmers have adapted old combines and uni-harvesters to snow blower rigs! |
Posted By: farmboy520
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2017 at 8:53am
Good luck Darrel, keep plugging away and you will get it accomplished. Maybe you need to offer your son and his buddies some beverages to entice them to help you  
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Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2017 at 7:32pm
| yeah...Darrell...that always worked for me what farmboy says! |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2017 at 9:34pm
| You means like Coke or Mountain Dew, or Pepsi. Stuff like that. .? Darrel |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2017 at 11:23pm
| uh......NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2017 at 12:54am
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More likely hot chocolate, with something else in it to make it smooth!
------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2017 at 7:04am
| Oh, duh me. Hot chocolate with marshmallows in it. Darrel |
Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2017 at 8:26am
| At my house-- the "OTHER" drinks come after she is back together and running, along with the funning about pinched fingers, split jeans, etc etc. Can be a true hoot. Go for it Darrell -- we are rooting for you and the guys. And Good Luck |
Posted By: BenGiBoy
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2017 at 9:32am
Yeah, you might wanna wait till after the job is done, otherwise there might be no reason to finish it.  Hope it goes well for you. Good luck... ------------- '39 Model B Tractors are cheaper than girls, remember that! |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2017 at 10:54am
| well it ain't gonna gits done ina day! and ya wanna keep them coming back to finish it! |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2017 at 7:54pm
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Give em tickets to some fun place or something as incentive... and don't give em until the old girl is up and running. Like the others have said, good luck on it...
------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: LeonR2013
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2017 at 8:07pm
| Get plenty of plastic, cardboard, and a good thick piece of carpet for when you are under it. Blocks a lot of the cold. Hot lemonade ain't bad either. |
Posted By: BenGiBoy
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2017 at 8:08am
Huh, never thought to heat lemonade up! I might just have to try it.
------------- '39 Model B Tractors are cheaper than girls, remember that! |
Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2017 at 3:07pm
| Add a little vodka to it |
Posted By: LeonR2013
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2017 at 4:55pm
| Yep. it only gets better. I really like the heck out of hot lemonade. |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2017 at 2:07am
| is that why yer a hot sour puss? Ted wanted me to ask you! |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2017 at 1:02am
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How is the project going?
------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2017 at 4:31am
it's not going, ......yet. Darrel |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2017 at 1:58am
| WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN DOING? whew! |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2017 at 8:32am
nuttin |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2017 at 8:35am
| don't blame ya! |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2017 at 1:08pm
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Hasn't it warmed up to freezing there yet?
------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2017 at 2:37pm
| think he's waiting for more "pretty" before he decides what he's gonna do! he's prolly waiting for his bride to feel sorry for him and lets him buy something else???? lol |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2017 at 6:46pm
| Shameless, nailed it. Not the part about wanting more pretty, but wouldn't be opposed to the ole lady caving in and getting something different. Darrel |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2017 at 8:41pm
| gits her a sno-bear |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2017 at 10:29pm
| What pray tell is a sno-bear. ..? Darrel |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2017 at 12:39am
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Here ye go Darrel, Make shameless try burying that thing in his purty... [TUBE]mBE3L5c_r1A[/TUBE] ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2017 at 2:54am
| yep...that's it JC ! another company makes one similer but can't find it on the web anymore, it think it's a better unit than the sno bear |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2017 at 2:55am
| shucks....that sno bear gits like 17 MPG. |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2017 at 7:43am
| Now that is sumpthin I should have had when I was a youngen. Put an air mattress in the back of it, and take the favorite girl out. ......you get the idea. Darrel |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2017 at 1:22pm
| what's wrong with doing it now? they can outfit it with sleeping/playing stuff inside them! |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2017 at 3:56pm
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As long as his favorite girl is his wife.....
------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: BenGiBoy
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2017 at 3:57pm
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X2!! LOL ------------- '39 Model B Tractors are cheaper than girls, remember that! |