HD11B RESTORATION HAS BEGUN
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Topic: HD11B RESTORATION HAS BEGUN
Posted By: AC Mel
Subject: HD11B RESTORATION HAS BEGUN
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2016 at 5:09pm
Ok, Got behind on this restoration. I see it was over 3 years ago that the original post was done. We of course did the HD15 and the GRAPPLE HD 11 while waiting for the perfect pieces to show up. (and we think they did yesterday). We got a bad case of "IRON DISEASE" when this showed up on an auction block in N. Calif. It is a 1957 HD11S farm tractor. Some of the features we were looking for were dry type steering clutches,no boosters etc. The swing frames and undercarriage are almost like new. We will be removing all of that for putting on track guards and blade trunnions and whatever else I can't remember .  So some of your trained eyes might notice that this has an 11000 engine in stead of the original Lanova style engine. The 11000 was put in many years ago as an update and it has been parked in a barn for many years. We of course have lots of homes for an 11000 and it will be coming out and be replaced by an orginal 516 Lanova style. Our project is to restore one of these to this original 1955 model  It will look like this when we are done. The drop dead date will be the third week in March for the Redwood Region Logging Conference antique equipment display in Eureka, Ca. Here's the original post to the Forum for more story. http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=67724&KW=NEXT+RESTORATION&PID=533383&title=next-restoration-starting#533383" rel="nofollow - http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=67724&KW=NEXT+RESTORATION&PID=533383&title=next-restoration-starting#533383 Also a link to the tractor running. http://vid966.photobucket.com/albums/ae147/doowder1/HD%2011%20RESTORATION/HD%2011%20RESTORATION_zpscaw0azct.mp4" rel="nofollow - http://vid966.photobucket.com/albums/ae147/doowder1/HD%2011%20RESTORATION/HD%2011%20RESTORATION_zpscaw0azct.mp4 We''ll keep you posted (LOL) MERRY CHRISTMAS!! |
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Posted By: Eric B
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2016 at 6:43pm
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And Merry Christmas to you Mel and associates... you guys are the most focussed, hard working, result producing guys in the restoration of equipment that I have ever witnessed!! Do take time to celebrate the true reason for Christmas and then we'll eagerly look forward to your progress updates. Best wishes for 2017 also! Thanks for all the interesting posts and pictures that you post here!! ------------- Currently- WD,WC,3WF's,2 D14's B. Previously- I 600,TL745,200,FL9,FR12,H3,816 LBH. Earth has no sorrow that Heaven cannot heal! |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2016 at 9:18pm
| Extremely nice/straight tractor.Undercarriage looks like new! |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2016 at 10:22pm
| Ditto on what the others said. So happy that there are guys with iron disease that keep this stuff from going to China. I must only have "half iron disease." I buy the stuff to keep it from going to China, but I don't seem to get it restored the way you and your crew does. I swear I'm going to have to haul that 5G out to you and hire you to finish it up. My uncle has some childhood memories on an HD5G, and he is chomping at the bit for me to get it together so he can come and play with it. Better get it done before it's too late. Merry Christmas to you and your family Mel. And keep stuff coming. Darrel |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2016 at 10:35pm
| I too enjoy all the things you do and post. even tho I don't have my HD5 anymore, I still enjoy looking and watching them! Happy Holidays to you all and stay safe! p.s. hows the building coming along? |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2016 at 2:42pm
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Mel, and all the AC folks, Merry Christmas! Always enjoy Mel's posts and work on the big machines! Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: ACcrazy
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2016 at 10:02am
Awesome Mel!  Are you going to build this one to look like the one with your dad in the pic? |
Posted By: AC Mel
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2016 at 12:36pm
| Yes, That's the plan. |
Posted By: Lee Bradley
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2016 at 1:22pm
| I remember the HD-9 having an over-center spring to reduce the steering clutch pull. Does the HD-11 have those? |
Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2016 at 3:12pm
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you and your crew do a great job on the construction equipment. Hope you had a Merry Christmas. Tom
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Posted By: AC Mel
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2016 at 4:27pm
| Lee, yes the over center spring levers for the steering clutches stayed the same from the HD9 to the HD11s serial number 6069 (1960) when they started using a booster similar to the HD15s 20s early 16s etc. In 1964 stating with ser# 10,000 they went to oil steering clutches with inside hydraulic controlled clutches. |
Posted By: AC Mel
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2017 at 9:22pm
So we had a rainy day schedule and I gathered up some "DONOR TRACTOR" parts. You have to have some imagination and a vision. The canopy needs some body work and cleanup  So the winch needs lots of attention. The cable hard nose came off the original tractor with our fathers picture.  So we'll be dismantling the running tractor to turn the swing frames up to put these bottom track guards on. If you want to see how that's supposed to go it will be about the same as the grapple facelift episode. Also the blade trunions have to be changed. http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=123759&KW=grapple+facelift&PID=1013415&title=hd11b-grapple-facelift-restoration#1013415" rel="nofollow - http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=123759&KW=grapple+facelift&PID=1013415&title=hd11b-grapple-facelift-restoration#1013415 |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2017 at 12:23am
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Good to see progress! Also good to see rain and puddles in the yard. Some of that stuff is supposed to come east and make 10" of snow down here, a couple feet in the mountains. Shameless thinks he's the only one who can make snow, we'll show him!
------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: Tad Wicks
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2017 at 2:36pm
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Mel,if you need engine parts heads manifolds or things like that, I still have the one I took out of my 11. Tad |
Posted By: AC Mel
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2017 at 8:55pm
Ok, went out to "DONOR TRACTOR" row and recovered this 1955 HD11B for going under the wrench. It was one of our first adventures about 15-20 years ago. I have pictures hauling it across the Golden Gate Bridge. It fit fine, only 10 feet wide, no problem. We did find out about 5 years later that "you can't do that without a permit and CHP escort" LOL of course now that it's a" SANCTUARY CITY" don't know what they would do with us now. Over the years we have found some better specimens including the current one we just got for this project. This tractor has badly damaged intermediate pinion cap and stripped bolts in the case. It was a common problem with construction and logging tractors, not so with farm tractors.  So were planning on using the blade, the engine, fenders and who knows what else.  The plan is to take the blade off and then remove all the hydraulics and hardnose and try running the engine and see if it will do the job. It was running when we parked it. It is a 516 Lanova (Buda) that would be the original engine for the year. Trying o get some stuff close to the shop. We're expecting 6-10" of rain starting tomorrow threw next week and yes we're still working on the BIG BUILDING (but it's not waterproof yet) |
Posted By: Steve allis dozer
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2017 at 9:17pm
| Hey Mel looks like a good set of rippers on that tractor |
Posted By: Eric B
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2017 at 9:20pm
Mel, I know this may be slightly off topic but ...how many machines do you have in your yard including all donor machines? If you're not sure and it's raining don't do the count 'til a sunny day  . I understand I may need to wait for the answer 'til after the show you're getting ready for ...you're a busy man  ------------- Currently- WD,WC,3WF's,2 D14's B. Previously- I 600,TL745,200,FL9,FR12,H3,816 LBH. Earth has no sorrow that Heaven cannot heal! |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2017 at 10:38pm
| Keep the good stuff coming, Mel. Keep it coming! It's always a pleasure reading up on your progress. Much more progress there than at my place. Lol Darrel |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2017 at 1:32am
| Mel.....Darrell has a big building that is water proof, and he don't even use it! whew! plus now that he is hibernatering, he won't be getting nuthin done for a few months! them poor lonely road graders are just sittin out in the cold and pretty snow! |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2017 at 10:23am
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Mel, Always enjoy your posts and work on the big machines. I try to learn a little bit from each project! Hope you don't get washed away! Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2017 at 9:06pm
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Shameless, you forget these guys aren't used to the cold like Darrel is, they'd freeze their thongs off! (The ones on their feet) Sure good to read you are getting more rain, we can use the snow! I guess that means if you ever go to get that HD41, you have to go south all around the bay to get it home? ------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: AC Mel
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2017 at 9:58pm
Ok, so today's events included getting the blade out of the way Also got the homemade cab out of the way. Hoping to try to start it and see if it's going to be worthy of this project 
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Posted By: michale34
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2017 at 4:32pm
| did those steering clutch leavers come like that one the orange machine I have never seen any like that |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2017 at 9:00pm
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Look at those pictures guys, no ice, no snow, just rain!!! Gotta be nice. ------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: AC Mel
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2017 at 9:28pm
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John, And it rained more today. Were supposed to get 2-3" in the next day. They cancelled schools for tomorrow. We did have some 23 degree mornings before this storm got here. And yes were pretty happy with 46 degree rain. It makes lots of steam for the pressure washer.  Mike, I already took those steering clutch levers off and fixed them.They must have had a midget operator, the seat was also in a low,low, hole. So we pushed it back in the shop after the steam settled and maybe try to start it tomorrow. 
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Posted By: michale34
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2017 at 4:44pm
| my uncle max bought 2 hd11 b like your donor tractor brand new in around 1955 the serial number for one was hd11b3638 if I remember right because one of rear ends was out in the back field till a few years ago |
Posted By: AC Mel
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2017 at 11:52am
Ok, here's where were at. After 40'' inches of rain now were still on a rainy day schedule. We were trying to make sure this 516 Lanova (BUDA) was giong to work for us. This engine was sitting for 15-20 years. It was running when it was parked, but do to the case and the damage from the intermediate pinion caps we knew we would probably not use the whole tractor again, thus becoming a "DONOR" tractor. We spent extra time with the PSB Bosch fuel injection pump to make sure we didn't damage it from sitting and being stuck. It was a good call because we had lots of problems getting it to work right. Almost threw in the towel do to time.  We left it in the tractor and removed as much stuff as possible to work on it. Ok, so check this link for the startup. http://vid966.photobucket.com/albums/ae147/doowder1/HD%2011%20RESTORATION/HD11%20START%20U%20TUBE_zps5qpnmnmv.mp4" rel="nofollow - http://vid966.photobucket.com/albums/ae147/doowder1/HD%2011%20RESTORATION/HD11%20START%20U%20TUBE_zps5qpnmnmv.mp4 So we've made the call to continue with this engine. I think we'll maybe start a new post for further progress reports. David's been cleaning and servicing his paint gun and paint booth (as you know it's outside) We will need a weather break. A Redwood Region Logging Conference representative came by to check up on us and see what we might have for the show this year. Yeah, now we have our feet pretty close to the fire. Parts are going to start flyin so stay tuned!! |
Posted By: Eric B
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2017 at 12:15pm
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That is amazing after having sat for so long...must have been well serviced with clean oil to run evenly on all cylinders at once...no stuck valves or low compression!! Good for you guys!! ------------- Currently- WD,WC,3WF's,2 D14's B. Previously- I 600,TL745,200,FL9,FR12,H3,816 LBH. Earth has no sorrow that Heaven cannot heal! |
Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2017 at 3:18pm
| Man o Man I wish I had the time and bucks to come help you guys. I do love the "clankers". Thank you so much for posting this |
Posted By: AC Mel
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2017 at 10:40am
So here's where were at. We needed these fenders, because we thought they would be easier to restore. They appear to be very straight. We also had to cut off all the miscellaneous stuff in the way, mostly the home made canopy posts. Anybody ever use an AIRARC? ooohhhh what fun!! Can't call yourselfS a wanna be welder until you've run an AIRARC and made it work.  So these are the brackets for the canopy and blade controls from "donor tractor"3 that also need to be arced off. These will be welded on the fender in the previous picture aventually.  So we commenced to turn this perfectly good farm tractor into an old cable logger.  This engine was upgraded to an 11000 from a 516 and we have a place for it as soon as we get time.  For now it just gets an engine stand.  Took the fuel tank fenders and battery boxes of in one piece.  Ok, here's the bottom, stand by. Some assembly required. 
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Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2017 at 11:25am
| Ya never cease to amaze me, Mel. I think I am going to ship my HD5G out to you and hire you and your crew to finish it up. I sure would like to get out there some time, and see all your stuff. Take in that logging show would probably be interesting to. Keep the good stuff coming. Darrel |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2017 at 3:51pm
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Mel, thanks for keeping us informed! Is that the 545 in the background with the cab off? How much more rain have you had since the 40" on Jan 19th? ------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: AC Mel
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2017 at 4:44pm
| John, That's the 840B we got this past fall that we started working on. It's on the back burner now. We have a total of almost 48'' of rain, raining today and rain and showers continuing. Our average is around 38'' and we haven't had that for a long time. Some locals are starting to whine, I tell them "GET OVER IT" go back inside you'll get wet, We're happy with it (it will quit some day) It's not been good for septic tank deliveries or gravel deliveries or cash flow (been pretty good for working on HD11s though) Davids about to get behind on painting though as you know our paint booth is outside. |
Posted By: Jim Hancock
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2017 at 5:10pm
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Mel, great documentation! I like it! You asked the question of who can run an air arc. I can say that I have, many, many moons ago!  And I got to be pretty good at it as well. Makes for a very nice & clean cut. I've also heard it called carbon arc welding. Just hook up the air hose and put in a carbon rod, and get with it! BTW- I've got an SA200 portable welder that I've been exercising some lately, too, around central Oklahoma if anybody needed some welding done.
 ------------- How blessed we are by HIS GRACE! |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2017 at 8:19pm
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Four feet of rain in less then 40 days, that's like biblical proportions! Started on your ark yet? I would think that you will be picking up gravel business from people getting stuck in their driveways... ------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2017 at 3:21am
| me thinks it's gonna takes more than gravel! lol |
Posted By: ACcrazy
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2017 at 8:44am
Looking good, Mel! As always!  Man, I'm about sick of this rain.  Check your PMs. |
Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2017 at 3:10pm
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[QUOTE=ACcrazy]Looking good, Mel! As always! Man, I'm about sick of this rain. I am hoping for a silver lining to this cloud. The last time things were really wet the governor gave a free pass on environmental permits on working around creeks and rivers. It was so far back I think it was Moon Beam that did it but cannot say for sure. So I am hoping it will happen again. Just the chance you need to drive the abandoned HD21 down through the river instead of having a bridge.
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Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2017 at 9:49am
| Darrell...is your HD5 a loader or blade? |
Posted By: Ian Beale
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2017 at 2:43pm
"https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2017/02/09/yet-more-flooding-drought-in-california/" rel="nofollow - Yet More Flooding Drought in California "https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2017/02/09/yet-more-flooding-drought-in-california/ |
Posted By: LeonR2013
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2017 at 10:15pm
| Good read Ian. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2017 at 7:28am
| I agree good read, seems a bit off kilter to make a point? |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2017 at 7:36am
loader |
shameless (ne) wrote:Posted By: Ian Beale
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2017 at 3:44pm
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DMiller Just pointing out that this rain affected activity is going on in an official drought area! |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2017 at 4:11pm
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And that is what I referred to! The 'experts' do not seem to be able to rationalize much of anything as to reality! Brother worked for San Diego Public Water supply, the 'Official' consensus he had to deal with as to drought was to accept the records as fact as funding from outside sources depended on it. He threw in the towel and retired soon after. |
Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2017 at 8:38pm
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After reading the piece and local news reports on lake level Santa Barbra county has 4 major man made lake 3 are only 50% or less. Just north San Luis Obispo county has 4 as well 2 are full or as full as flood control allows. One has never been full in 50 years,never will as we have had floods before and never filled it. The experts would not believe the locals. The other one is in the very south of SLO county right on the edge of the red spot on the map in the store. From my place to town not much for irrigated vineyards water is oozing out of banks on the road. Drove west of my place where the greatest amount of irrigation is no water oozing out across the road yet. Before the vineyards came I have farmed it all one time or another. A lot of it had a lot of wet places in wet years. The drought index in the report takes a long term look at things. I can agree where pumping of ground water has been excessive there can still be long term drought in areas. But we are a perpetual drought as we have 6 months of every year that we don't get rain.
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