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mgburchard
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Any can grinder will tell you you need a different can if you advance it 12 degrees . if you reground that can held the 112 cl the new can to have the same ivo ivc would have 255 degrees intake duration at the same lifter rise as it was at 230 degrees duration . any degree you advance the centerline to adds to the ivo and ivc evo and evc at that lifter rise valve events are known at. Its Palin and simple increase stroke increases piston speed and length of cylinder given that anyone can see you need more duration from the same head and valve to fill cylinder .
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cranky
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what the hell are you talking about? moving the cam made the lobes swell up ?
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wi50
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Saved.....the duration doesn't increase 20 degrees by advancing or retarding the cam you nitwit. When the valve events happen change . Dang boy, you don't know the basics. |
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mgburchard
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Marty advancing the intake caused your exhaust duration to increase over 20 degrees in duration
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wi50
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Thank you for enforcing my point. Now I've measured a bunch of stock cams to see any difference. Its wrote down in a book I keep at the shop. What I found was 112-113 intake centerline. Just going from memory here, but I think the .050" duration numbers were about 176* or so. Now let's do the old trick of taking a stock cam and advancing it 1 tooth. Well our intake centerline now becomes 99-100* atdc, or the intake closing point moves from 48* abdc to about 35* abdc. What happens? The engine makes noticeably more power. You want to close the intake valve 115 abdc........I do hope you realize that that thing called the piston is moving up in the bore and has already passed the half way point, it's moving rapidly and slowing down. Hoping to finally compress some of the air you have blown back out the intake tract......just think of the other cylinder paired on that port fighting for a breath while the air has stalled and reversed direction. Good luck goof troop. Make sure to show us a video and let us know what events you will be at. |
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Ken(MI)
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lol OK let's try again the engine was turning 4 grand so there was a over 1100 rpms lost due to tire slippage making 9.8 it slowest run to date
Look at this, one last post and it's clear as day!! What a Shazam moment that was!! Now it's "tire slippage to explain the 1100 rpm statements none of us could understand. Go big or go home Mitch, how much power do you lose going through the gear box? and how much might you save by running direct (that would be fourth gear Pank, down and to the right, just so you don't get confused about where to find it). Just a little food for thought, that may help you out some.
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mgburchard
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DrAllis
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I keep thinking the Tennessee State Educational system has failed miserably in Reading, Writing and Math ??
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Butch(OH)
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LOL only question is if it is shear stupidity or pulling chains? either way it is fun to back them towards a corner and watch them squirm. Notice that your 9.8 MPH RPM question was answered by Dr allis at just over 2300 and then Pank comes back with "yup it was turning 1100 RPM?? Yup pank, thats tire slip for ya, LOL Only as usual you got it backwards. All the jiberish does add up in this case, 452 cubes making 50HP because of his pank dream world camshaft. Having to run second gear is totally believable. Hey Pank I have a model A in the shop that has 60 hp and 461 cubes and was built in 1938, LOL You want my cam specs so you can gain 10 HP?
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mgburchard
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Edited by mgburchard - 08 May 2015 at 8:40pm |
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DrAllis
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Intake opens at 3 degrees BTDC.....Intake closes at 48 degrees ABDC..........Exhaust opens at 38 degrees BBDC......Exhaust closes at 13 degrees ATDC. Actual valve lift is .460" Intake .458" Exhaust.
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mgburchard
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Yep it was spinning a little over 1100 rpms then .O'Brien will you post the 175 valve opening and intake closing degrees from the power is knowledge book ? Pankeys is locked up in shop
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mgburchard
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Yep it was spinning a little over 1100 rpms then .O'Brien will you post the 175 valve opening and intake closing degrees from the power is knowledge book ? Pankeys is locked up in shop
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DrAllis
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My charts say with a 14.9 x 38 at 1300 RPM equals 4.5 MPH on a std WC chassis. Looks to me like 2831 RPM would get you 9.8 MPH.
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O.P.S. Heads
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You have an incredible knack for missing the point.
30 years ago I had a WD 45 that bought to pull with. I bought the tractor for $325.00. The engine was assembled by Doc Allis using used 4.125 bore M and W pistons and sleeves from a WD - WC machined to work with the 4.500 inch crank. 240 raging cubic inches that on it's best day it had 73 HP on the M and W dyno. That is what I started pulling with and it was a lot of fun as far as being able to win over and over again without any breakage. The only maintenance ever done was changing the oil, plugs, and points. Now by todays standards it wouldn't be much, but I don't think I had $1000.00 in the whole thing including paint. Your claim of second gear(if that is real and not make believe)is lacking data as usual and doesn't say much. Mine would do that any day of the week in any town at 3500 lbs. with 14.9 X 38 tires. Yes it would complete the run and spin it out - not die. If anyone is dumb enough to give you $15,000.00 cash to work on a W 4 cylinder engine what you product better be good enough to run road gear no matter the weight. I doubt we ever see any video of anything you supposedly build and I doubt you get many takers on your amazing offer.... Edited by O.P.S. Heads - 08 May 2015 at 5:59pm |
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Butch(OH)
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Larry, Decoded that means Oops, I have BSed myself into a corner and must go read some more on the internet before I can comment.
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mgburchard
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Larry call pan key 4two three7794425 he says as long as nitwits are on here I can't say anything else
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O.P.S. Heads
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Neat. Attach the video.
Someone do the math. 9.8 MPH in 2nd gear with 38 inch tires = how many RPM?? So let me restate my previous post: Single digit MPH for $15,000.00. Where do we sign up?? |
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Larry(OH)
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pank says finding a cam cheap that somebody doesn't like and paying to have intake love on two and three reground helps more than anything.
Mitch, are you saying each one needs a defferent grind? I read that as #2 and #3 lobes? Your losing me here. |
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mgburchard
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Butch(OH)
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Ken, Those Indycar rednecks should consider themselves lucky that Pank has stayed out of their sport or they would all be on a breadline.
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Butch(OH)
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Pank, I have an idea for your next drama series. "How to install a needle and seat in a Zenith" Did you know you can shut the fuel off under the tank? Might save a shop fire and for certain some stink. Edited by Butch(OH) - 08 May 2015 at 8:55am |
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Larry(OH)
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How about going to a roller cam? Any benefits? could a guy take a Hillborn from a SBC and cut it in 1/2 and adapt to work?
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Ken(MI)
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His engine may have a better chance of running backwards, maybe he's onto something here....That injection system is an absolute marvel, reminds me of a Kinsler setup I saw once being removed from an Indy car, and the new Chief Machanic doing this made the comment that he wouldn't hang that POS on a farm tractor, looks like Pank did though!
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blue924.9
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No I think the blow hards blow each other while dreaming the engine is running while they take turns spinning the blower by hand
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hi my names dan, I am a young guy. i have a problem, i prefer my tractors orange and my clutches mechanical, thanks for letting me share
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wi50
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Butch, it just dawned on me.....the nuke goof troop is building a light super with those cam specs, 2 blowhards, one supercharger and fuel injection......rember 505 cube limit in light super, push rod engine boys.
How's the air system plumbed? I use 3 turbochargers with 2 billet 4.3 compressors feeding a bigger billet, ball bearing bottom turbo. I've often wondered how 2 blowhards and a supercharger work. Does each of the blowhards blow in the supercharger? Does the supercharger blow the blowhards? Individually or in series? Does each blowhard blow another blowhard and the supercharger is just there as excess baggage? |
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wi50
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That's awesome. A junk throttle body hanging on a carb. See the linkage behind it ha going onthe carb......
Anyways let's play along. Prank says its a constant flow system with 4 injectors in the manifold. 1200 cfm throttle body. There's no radius and a 90* corner to get the air from a 1200 cfm throttle body into a 120 cfm manifold. So the throttle body actually hinders what an unmolested manifold could do of it had a fighting chance. Now let me lay out out, 1-2-4-3 firing order. Constant flow spraying in manifold. Cyl 1 gets a drink, cyl 2 gets to small of a drink. Cyl 4 has had a lo g time before a drink and it's a big one and poor cyl 3 gets to small of a drink, meanwhile cyl 1 had a break and gets to big of a drink. Now how do we controlled the air to the system? We have a 1200 cfm throttle body on a 120 cfm manifold. So the throttle plate only rotates a few degrees in order to allow the engine to get all the air it's going to get. We controlled the fuel through a barrel valve in a constant flow system. The barrel valve is hooked by arms and linkage to the throttle shaft, or we could hook it to the throttle itself.......so we have no way to synchronise the barrel valve to the throttle as it rotates only a few degrees to get to WOT for the engine. So this fuel system of panks must be a real marvelous piece of engineering?......an attempt to be a big shot fuel systems engineer? Or just the rambelings of an idiot? |
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Charlie175
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Charlie
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