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Posted: 28 Dec 2011 at 3:29pm |
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I have a rebuildt Allis C starter that doesnt have enought torque to turn the engine over, It went in the with problem, repairman says everything is ok, any good places that sell rebuildt starter or can you recommend a good place to send it to fixed right, someone that can stress test it.
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MNLonnie
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Posted: 28 Dec 2011 at 4:30pm |
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Are you using 6 volt or 12 volt. Either way clean, tight connections are needed but even more so on 6 volt. Also with 6 volt you need heavier battery cables to do the job. I would start by redoing all the connections before getting another starter.
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Creek Jenkins
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Posted: 28 Dec 2011 at 6:00pm |
I had this same problem last summer with my C. Put a brand new battery on her and after a week or two the starter wouldn't turn it over. When you engaged the starter, the battery voltage would drop down to near nothing and you could hear the acid turbulating in the battery. I went thru all kinds of holy helms trying to finger out what the helms it could be - I assumed the worst case scenario - engine stuck, etc. etc. Thought I narrowed it down thru a process of scientific elimination to the starter, so I had the starter rebuilt, it still wouldn't turn over. Finally dawned on me to check the brand new battery - turned out it wouldn't hold a charge, had plate or plates come loose. My system was 12 volt. (I bought the C from MNLonnie, so I didn't have to check the cables and connections, he arredy had that covered).
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Creek
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Posted: 29 Dec 2011 at 12:22am |
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it is a 6 volt, it will turn over another starter, but not this one.
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CTuckerNWIL
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Posted: 29 Dec 2011 at 4:54am |
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Make sure there is nothing but bare metal where the starter meets the block. Any paint or rust there will interfere with your ground.
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Butch(OH)
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Posted: 29 Dec 2011 at 5:37am |
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Unless the rebuilder has a fancy shop "testing" consists of running it with no load. You need to double check all the connections and especialy the starter hole as Charlie said. A way to check with a meter is to put one lead on the + post (not the cable) and the other lead on the bolt the wire attaches to on the starter, Again not the wire but the bolt. Then do the same with the ground only the one lead goes to the starter case. You should read less than a volt when you engage the starter. There was/is a problem with some aftermarket fields and armatures that didn't have the same amount of windings as the originals and they wont turn over a tractor as it should no matter what you do. I fought one of the %^#^%# things myself on our C. The aftermarket pull switches are garbage too as they are not made right. All this being said if another starter turns the tractor over the problem is the starter as you said to begin with. Personaly I would go with a used starter from one of the parts guys here before any mass produced "rebuild" then take it down for inspection, cleaning brushes etc.
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Posted: 29 Dec 2011 at 6:25am |
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thanks for reply, any used starter dealer suggestion
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SteveC(NS)
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Posted: 29 Dec 2011 at 12:00pm |
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Might help if we knew where you are.
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Steve in NJ
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Posted: 29 Dec 2011 at 6:54pm |
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In most cases, the starters that come in my shop after being so called "rebuilt" have a bad armature in them. A 60+ year old starter with a bad arm, ain't gonna cut it for turning over an engine. That's where the torque comes from. All my units get new arms in them along with whatever the unit may need. In most cases, my starter rebuilds run around $225-on depending on what is needed inside to put them into tip top shape and make them perform like new....
Steve@B&B
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