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Why did Deutz kill the 8000 series?
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Originally posted by bigal121892 bigal121892 wrote:

According to our Allis dealer at the time, Deutz owned 20% of Steiger; Steiger was going to manufacture row crop tractors for Deutz-Allis, using a Deutz engine. CaseIH threw a monkey wrench into that plan, when they purchased the 80% of Steiger that Deutz didn't own. So, they went shopping for a someone to manufacture a tractor for them. According to our dealer, they went with White for two reasons; (1) Deutz engineers felt only the White rear end could hold up to the low end torque of the Deutz engine, and (2) White was offering them the best warranty.

  Very interesting. I have seen a White ring gear in a 180 hp tractor, they are huge.
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Just some thoughts on on the 7/8000 rear ends. With all the hours we have put on those tractors kwe never had one apart. Never seen one in a dealership apart. Back in the 1980s id go to the IH dealer for planter parts and the shop would be full of 10, 14, 15, 66 and 86 series with rear ends apart and scattered everywhere
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We've had a couple of them apart. On the four pinion differentials, the bolt that holds everything together, (70933256) will break, then a lot of bad things happen.
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I was an Allis mechanic at two different dealers, from 1975 until 1991.
It was a nightmare with Deutz. Allis had great service manuals. Deutz manuals sucked. Few words and a bunch of symbols. About like a car from the 1960's to that current crap that pops up on the dash today. Stop and read the owner's manual to see what they mean.

Cab heaters run off diesel fuel, what a joke. Cylinder heads with stretch bolts were also a pain. In 1991 I moved on to Deere, and NOT as a mechanic either!
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Allis killed Allis when they SOLD to DEUTZ

   Deere I agree with you .I work For a Dealer From 1981 till 1996 . I have a Tractor Repair Business for over 20 years now and work on the good ol stuff and have never looked back .


Edited by Fred in Pa - 29 Mar 2024 at 6:39am
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nonetheless ,still dead.
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Originally posted by jdeere562 jdeere562 wrote:

I was an Allis mechanic at two different dealers, from 1975 until 1991.
It was a nightmare with Deutz. Allis had great service manuals. Deutz manuals sucked. Few words and a bunch of symbols. About like a car from the 1960's to that current crap that pops up on the dash today. Stop and read the owner's manual to see what they mean.

Cab heaters run off diesel fuel, what a joke. Cylinder heads with stretch bolts were also a pain. In 1991 I moved on to Deere, and NOT as a mechanic either!

   My friend pulls a Deutz, those head bolts are bizarre.
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All European parts manual were defiantly subpar. New Holland had one of the easiest to read and simple parts catalogs out there. After Fiat bought New Holland the manuals got complicated. Look at a 1915 chopper catalog and then an FX chopper manual. 
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