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    Posted: 21 Nov 2017 at 9:16am
Due to the extremely wet spring and summer we had, we were unable to get into a portion of the woods. Now is the time, I think, to get in there and get out what we need. Kicking around the idea of tire chains for the WD, we may be working well into the winter.

Any experience or advice? Reputable place to buy them? Anybody got a used set they no longer use?

I am leaning toward logging chains with the huge links, not the worthless lawnmower ones that are made from the same chain as my dog tie-out.

Pretty sure they are 14.9X28's.

Thanks in advance.
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I think it's Tirechains.com.  Been a few years since I bought mine.

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I have been fortunate to pick up some tire chains for my WD at farm sales for not a lot of money - like $55/pair.  Hope you can do the same.  Terry
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Get the type with the X pattern. The others drop into the cleats and become worthless.
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had a set of bear paws on my wd 45 worked great, sorry sold them a few years ago.  I have double link chains on my d14.  they are bigger rings in the cross links so the chains don't just slide into the tread.  I always let some of the air out of my tires, put the chains on and air them back up, that keeps them tighter so they don't slip off.




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Tire chains are us is a fine bunch to deal with.

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Used them on the 170 plowing snow.  Found that I needed to use some wire to tie the outside latch  closed so it doesn;t come loose.  Not much fun when it lets go on the outside, and wraps around the axle a few times before getting under the tire and bringing the whole thing to a sudden stop.  
Agree the type that has a ring in the middle of the tire, or an H pattern to keep the cross bars from dropping into the cleats is preferable.  Straight ladder chains are less useful.
Could push snow almost to the front axle with the chains on.  Would have been stuck many times without them.


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I picked up semi tire chains off the freeway last winter/spring, and have enough parts to fill a large garbage can! I'm going to get a set of "Tire chain pliers" and make a set for my D-15
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I bought a used set once and spent more time repairing them than anything. Finally bought a set to fit what I have. Don't remember where I ordered them though. Get the most aggressive ones you can.
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These are what I have on my WD with the loader for moving snow. With these and loaded tires it is almost impossible to get stuck.
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Well, turns out the tires on the WD are 13.6-28s. Someone said they have a set off of 13.6-38s. Can't a guy just cut them to size? Then you would even have some extra cross chains on hand. Is there a known "size" for tire chains? I guess the width should be correct, but is there a certain length you can cut them to for starters, or do you just throw them on and cut to fit? This is definitely a case of " measure twice and cut once."

Thanks for the help guys. I really want a set of bear paws, but the only thing more aggressive than the chains is the price tag!

Edited by littlemarv - 23 Nov 2017 at 5:10am
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yep, ya can cut them down, the bear paws I put on my wd45 were from a skidder, the chains on my d14 were on a set of smaller tires so I had to add some links.  the good thing about bear paws, if you get stuck in a rut, you can put a pipe/tree limb through the center of the bear paw and lift yourself out.

what ever type you put on just keep in mind they don't last long on pavement, keep them tight or they will spin right off the wheel and enjoy the nice smooth ride they give youWinkLOL

oh and bear paws will rip up the asphault on the highway if ya get spinning....wanna guess how I found that out....lol  
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Used to HAVE to put them on the Fire trucks EVERY year.  Actually ON and OFF, numerous times during the winter.  If it was snowing, we had to put em on.  After the plows came through, take them off.  I don't miss those days!!

Yes you can cut them down.  The side to side is the important part.  They outer rings should come down to the center of the tire, on both sides.  The length is something you can play with over time and get right.  ALWAYS leave some extra side links because some tires have higher tread than others and you'll be too short if you cut them exact for the tires you have.

IMPORTANT: wire up the extra side pieces and yes, as Reindeer says, wire the latch closed.  We always did both to the tires on the Fire Trucks.  We had a spring gizmo that kept the outside side links tight too.  Now I use ratchet straps.  Those cheapy ones from Harbor Freight work just fine.  You don't want them TOO tight.  Others have used Bungee straps.

I'm leaving in a couple of hours to head up to the farm for the weekend of deer hunting Ryan, so I'll measure my chains up there and send you a PM on the sizes.  That'll give you a starting place.  Got a big bolt cutters?  Also the "pliers" for working on chains is about 30-36" long.
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I got some big honking chains from my Father in law that he had on a JD with 38's on it.
Heavy like #75 each. Cut down the links and are awesome but a PITA to put on. Don't know what the brand is. They with shake your gizzard loose on frozen ground but great in snow and ice.
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when you cut the links your gonna need either an "add a link" or do what I do, use a link I cut and weld it shut.
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I bought a used set once. Cut them to fit because they where not the right size. Spent more time repairing them than anything else. Threw them in a pile and bought a new set that fit what I have. Go on easier and less trouble for me. But I am not as talented as some on here. New ones are not cheap but how many times are you going to buy them?
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Cut off wheel on a 4 1/2" grinder makes short work of cutting them to length.

When my Dad got his 5230 Duetz Allis with turf tires, I made a set of chains for him out of used road grader chains I got from a friend. Took 3 chains to make a pair.
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Semi-trucks often have snow chains, something I have never used. (Yes, had them in the side box, drove plenty on ice and snow). Cleaning trucks out often netted me with a set or two. Is it worth shipping them north for someone to play with? Maybe someone from the frozen north will be coming south and want to haul them north, lol?
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I picked up this tool at a garage sale a few years ago........
Chain Pliers.......This one is made for heavy truck and tractor chains.
Makes the job of replacing cross links a real breeze.
The "scissor" end opens the link and the "pliers" end closes it back up.
As someone already said, lengthening the side chains can be real easy
as well by cutting a link, installing the extra links and welding the connecting link back together. 

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Well, Ted was nice enough to measure his chains for me, he says they are about 2' wide and 11' long.
 
Got a pair that are supposedly fit 13.6 by 38's. They measure about 16" by 13'. They are worn, but I think they will run a long time yet.
 
 
 
 
 
So, they are the big links, in a cross pattern, should work good.  I'm a little concerned about the width, but the only way to be sure is to try them. The owner dug them out of his shed and told me to take them and try them, if they work, he said $100 would be O.K. Considering how brand new double link chains are $340 a pair new, that's not the worst.
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If they are too narrow Ryan they will tend to slip off the tread and then you've got problems.  They should fit AT LEAST 1/4 of the sidewall from the tread.  I hope you get lucky!  That's a good price.  Actually not a bad price even if you had to buy come extra cross links and put em in.  Course I don't know what it costs for extra cross links to add on. Confused
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I've used just regulary chain to make them wider in a pinch while not as good as regular cross links...better than none!!
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Well, I tried that set of chains, they are too narrow. When installed, the side chains are pretty close to the end of the lugs, and I'm sure they will slip off. So, I returned them to the guy and said thanks, but no thanks.
 
The very next day, scored these off of Craigslist. They look to be in pretty good shape, they measure 28" wide by 11' long.
 
 
 
 
 
So, we will try them out next time I am up to at the farm.


Edited by littlemarv - 07 Dec 2017 at 4:57pm
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Well, threw the chains on today. They must be for 14.9 by 28's, I had to cut quite a chunk off. So, now I have extra side chain and cross chains.
 
When I have the time, I may narrow them up by a link or two. But for now, I tightened the inside side chain as much as possible without rubbing in the top of the axle housing. Then took up all the slack on the outside. Looks a little funny, but it works.
 
 
 
 
Pa imparted some paternal wisdom on me:
 
Me: " Maybe I should take those chains off and narrow them up."
 
Him: "Did they fit?"
 
Me: "Yes."
 
Him: "Did they fall off?"
 
Me: "No"
 
Him: "Did they slip?"
 
Me: " No."
 
Him: "Did they hit the tractor?"
 
Me: "No."
 
Him:"Drive."
 
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looks like the same type I have on the d14, work great. if it ain't broke don't fix it..lol

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Yep, shouldn't be too much work to cut a couple of the rings out and make them fit.
BUT,,,,,,,,what if in two years you find that D-17 with the 14.9s or 16.9s on it??  If it ain't broke, don't fix it......
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Need you some half tracks.
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