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Need input on new square baling/raking tractor

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Well quick question on a d17 guys. Might be looking at a series 3 but was curious about the Hyd system on one. I know they are low volume high pressure system but is the rear lift at least live? What kind of lift capacity would one have with a three point conversion?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DaveKamp Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 May 2017 at 10:23pm
As for pressure/volume, the Series IV was high vol low pressure (modern standard). All priors were high pressure/low volume, and single-acting only. If your baler and rake are just one lift cylinder, then the early systems will work (that's what grandpa had ME using anyway).

As for lifting capacity, if its a rake or baler, you wouldn't be using the lift arms for that...

but I built a 3-point system, and a 3-point forklift attachment for my D17... basically a steel face with standard forklift forks.

I can lift much, much more than the tractor can manage without weights on the nose... a 3000lb pallet of bricks will put the nose in the air. I've never had enough ballast to keep the front wheels down, and frankly, to challenge the lift arms, I'd probably hafta get the load much, much closer to the back of the tractor to find out, but it's extremely powerful.

Yes, the lift is SORTA live. The way Allis configured it on the 1-3's, is that engine clutch, then hydraulic pump and PTO, then Power Director and transmission, then rearend. To have the 'live' action, just leave the clutch out, and clutch the driveline with the power director.

If you're baling hay, and the baler gets a little overloaded, move power director to neutral, or pull it down to LOW, let it catch up, then re-engage it accordingly.

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Thanks Dave!
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My grandfather referred to the D17 as the 'best hay-making tractor ever designed', and there's probably many more reasons, but he traded his WD45 for it in '59, and he generally didn't trade machines off.

The ergonomics of the D17 was probably every bit as responsible for his naming it, as anything else. The seat flips rearward two ways, and that leaves room for operator to stand on the right side footwell, facing left, and operating the steering wheel and power director with right hand, but having clear view of the rear activities looking to your left.

IIRC the baler we used was a New Holland, and the pickup was to the right side, so not exactly optimal for standing facing left, but I never found myself uncomfortable with the pickup inlet being on that side. It's been a LONG time since I used that rig (almost three decades), but I recall that standing sideways on that platform made it really easy to watch what was happening on the hayrack and that big flywheel swinging on the end of the PTO shaft.

For raking, though, the position couldn't have been better. Grandpa had a side-delivery Allis rake, and it directed to the left side, so when standing on the side platform, I could see every inch of that rake, and (as long as he wasn't standing on the other platform yelling in my ear), I could see the hitch swing towards the tires as I made my turns.

In the case of both implements, the power director in my right hand, being able to pick between high, neutral, and low, with the PTO and hydraulics still active, plus power steering and the ability to go from seated, to side-standing position, and back with no effort, got me thinking that running implements with a tractor was easy.

Of course, I've run many other pieces of machinery since then, and have found that there's many other machines, and some did some things better, some not so much. I haven't used them all, but I'll agree with my Grandfather, that the D17 was really well suited to baling hay.
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That honestly will be the main use of this tractor. I've got a nearly N.O.S. New Holland 269 ( gentleman bought it new used a couple years on just a few acres of alfalfa then put it away in the quonset until I pulled it out and went over it last year). Otherwise it'll be used for spreading manure raking hay moving equipment in and out of buildings etc. My hope was to find a series iv just so I had the easy option of installing a nice QT loader some day to aid in winter feeding of round bales. But worse case scenario I have been following the live hyd installation on a d15 on this forum and that is something I could do at a later date if need be.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Robert Musgrave Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 May 2017 at 1:25pm
We used a WD-45 on a New Holland Super 68 baler pulling 16' hay rack.  Tractor handled it fine; but we were in "table-top" flat NW Ohio.  Typically used a Model B oR WD on the hay rake--they were steel-wheeled ground driven.  Once in awhile the D-17 Gas would be put in front of the baler.  R. Musgrave
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Thanks Robert! I grew up using a WD in front of a JD 14T square baler and although a nice little baling tractor I am leaning towards something with enough hp that in a worse case scenario could run the round baler... Albeit not really desirable it could do it
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