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Originally posted by jpessek jpessek wrote:

The 1938 WC Brochure still shows them with black rims:


If the "color enhanced" photo is correct, they also had a black hand crank, radiator, and steering wheel grip. Not saying it's wrong, but I've never seen one like that. 
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Fair enough,  but all the other pics in the brochure show black as well:

EDIT: 37 was still black judging by the mecum auction original paint wc:




Edited by jpessek - 20 Feb 2017 at 12:50pm
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Originally posted by jpessek jpessek wrote:

Fair enough,  but all the other pics in the brochure show black as well:

EDIT: 37 was still black judging by the mecum auction original paint wc:



Just trying to digest the information and figure out what to believe....in the first pic, the wheels and fender are the same shade of gray, leading me to believe they are the same color? Anyone else have this feeling? I agree, it kinda looks black, but so does the fender, steering column, etc. 
In the 2nd photo....I thought the 37s came with dish rims on the rear, like in the first pic, not spokes like the earlier ones.

Again, I'm not arguing or being disrespectful, I'm just trying to weigh things out and interpret them the best I can. 
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Originally posted by oldorangeiron oldorangeiron wrote:

ALL SPOKE WHEELS WERE BLACK ...they were provided by French and Hecht. Allis bought them with tires already installed. The U, UC, WF, and WC tractor wheels were always black..until they went to cast centers. ANYTHING SPOKE WAS BLACK WHEN NEW. (very early WC were Green)
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They were NOT ALL black. Some were green and most were black from F&H. However, Allis painted spoke rims Orange, at least some of them.
 When I got my 35 WC from the neighbor, who was the original owner, I found orange paint on the inside of the rear wheel hubs. The tractor had NEVER been repainted.
 Some tractors came from the DEALER with black spoke wheels because Black was the color F&H painted them. Tractors from West Allis were painted Orange.
 If a dealer had a steel wheeled tractor on the lot and a buyer wanted  rubber tires, the F&H rims could have been shipped to the dealer from F&H and be Black.
 I would venture to say any change of wheels at the dealer  would have put Black rims on the tractor.

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Originally posted by CTuckerNWIL CTuckerNWIL wrote:

 

Tractors from West Allis were painted Orange.
 If a dealer had a steel wheeled tractor on the lot and a buyer wanted  rubber tires, the F&H rims could have been shipped to the dealer from F&H and be Black.
 I would venture to say any change of wheels at the dealer  would have put Black rims on the tractor.


Maybe some rims from West Allis were orange, (heck I've seen pictures of the early styled WC's with black rims) (I also have one of the WC's that had the green rims....) but I'm guessing most unstyleds were black.  Here's an old ad with a pic of 48 WC's being driven from the factory and the rims are black.


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Originally posted by CrestonM CrestonM wrote:

Originally posted by jpessek jpessek wrote:

Fair enough,  but all the other pics in the brochure show black as well:

EDIT: 37 was still black judging by the mecum auction original paint wc:



Just trying to digest the information and figure out what to believe....in the first pic, the wheels and fender are the same shade of gray, leading me to believe they are the same color? Anyone else have this feeling? I agree, it kinda looks black, but so does the fender, steering column, etc. 
In the 2nd photo....I thought the 37s came with dish rims on the rear, like in the first pic, not spokes like the earlier ones.

Again, I'm not arguing or being disrespectful, I'm just trying to weigh things out and interpret them the best I can. 

Yeah after I posted that pic I figured out it wasn't the best one to use....
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All untouched, unstyled WC tractors used black.(with the exception of early GREEN wheeled tractors) Orange would have been ordered replacement stock that the DEALER painted to upgrade a steel wheeled tractor. Assembly line tractors were BLACK wheels, provided by F&H. In the case of Charlie Tuckers tractor, I would assume the orange he found on the back of the hub was due to installing a BLACK wheel on wet ORANGE paint at the factory!!

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Originally posted by oldorangeiron oldorangeiron wrote:

In the case of Charlie Tuckers tractor, I would assume the orange he found on the back of the hub was due to installing a BLACK wheel on wet ORANGE paint at the factory!!

NOPE, the whole inside of the hub was Orange, even places where it could not have touched anything. When I cleaned it up, there was evidence of Black underneath which would have been original F&H paint.
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Here's a picture of an original 17" WC front with remnants of F&H green.






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Hard to see in my pic but mine matches that one, my serial number is 970:


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Originally posted by jpessek jpessek wrote:

Hard to see in my pic but mine matches that one, my serial number is 970:



Nice picture.  Is that the typical HC111 hub?
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Hello guys this is a very good post I have learned alot! My dad brothers and I really search hard for nice clean original tractors and have seen the wc's a few different ways. We have a 37 with the pressed steel and they seem to be black along with the front 6 bolt rims or round spokes. They have been black on most tractors. We do have a very clean original 37 and it has the smaller steering wheel like they had and it is all orange. We also have a 38 model with cast centers and they are orange with galvanized rims and it has black 6 bolt rs in the front. I will see if I can post a photo of our 37 and 38. Not sure if this helps but I know that these haven't had any paint!

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Here is a one my brother james had and it had 28 inch rear spokes. And the big hub 5 bolt fronts. The fronts were very rusty but I do believe they had black paint but so hard to tell there was literally no paint it seemed left on them. I do know I have seen some 5 bolt hubs on an original 37 wc and they were orange.

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Originally posted by ecclap ecclap wrote:

Originally posted by jpessek jpessek wrote:

Hard to see in my pic but mine matches that one, my serial number is 970:



Nice picture.  Is that the typical HC111 hub?

Yep HC111, I definatly need to have them re rimmed though, what's a good place to have that done?


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Contact Detwilers in Wisconsin.  If you are on Facebook, Pat Detwiler is the guy that does the wheel repair or I can find his email address for you.  Last time I looked into it, the 17" fronts were a little pricey to repair because Coker tire is the only place to buy rim blanks in that size.  Pat Detwiler can make the wheels look just like they came from the factory.  He can even take ones that have been cutdown to 16" back to the correct 17" rims.
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Picture from the day my Grandpa brought home a new WC and combine in July of 1938. To me, its clear the rims are black, with orange bolts.
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