D-14 Dead Pedal...

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   Yesterday just at dark I jumped on my D-14 NF mowing tractor to move it back to the shed and when I pushed the clutch pedal down prior to turning the key it felt weak.....  a second push confirmed no resistance.    Linkage outside the torque tube is good, spring not broken and rod working with the pedal.    
Today I am going to see if the rod somehow let go from the release bearing fork or worse.  If I recall correctly doesn't the linkage rod screw into the fork for the release bearing...  sure feels like the rod has zero resistance but I guess the fork could be pivoting perhaps without any resistance if the release bearing gave up or separated somehow.   I recall the pivot for the fork MAY have a cotter pin somewhere?      Too many different color tractors and I may have it confused.

Got it started in gear with low throttle and SLOWLY made it to the shed.   Later this afternoon or this evening I should be able to get a look.   Any experience with a D-14 doing the same thing?       

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rasman57 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Illinois Points: 367	Post Options Post Reply Quote rasman57 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: D-14 Dead Pedal... Posted: 09 Jun 2016 at 7:15am
	Yesterday just at dark I jumped on my D-14 NF mowing tractor to move it back to the shed and when I pushed the clutch pedal down prior to turning the key it felt weak..... a second push confirmed no resistance. Linkage outside the torque tube is good, spring not broken and rod working with the pedal. Today I am going to see if the rod somehow let go from the release bearing fork or worse. If I recall correctly doesn't the linkage rod screw into the fork for the release bearing... sure feels like the rod has zero resistance but I guess the fork could be pivoting perhaps without any resistance if the release bearing gave up or separated somehow. I recall the pivot for the fork MAY have a cotter pin somewhere? Too many different color tractors and I may have it confused. Got it started in gear with low throttle and SLOWLY made it to the shed. Later this afternoon or this evening I should be able to get a look. Any experience with a D-14 doing the same thing?

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MACK Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 17 Nov 2009 Points: 7664	Post Options Post Reply Quote MACK Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 Jun 2016 at 7:30am
	I would guess the throw out bearing went out and cut fingers off pressure plate. MACK

NV4500 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 26 Apr 2014 Location: Ladoga, IN Points: 69	Post Options Post Reply Quote NV4500 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 Jun 2016 at 3:20pm
	I had a similar thing happen to my D17IV except I was moving when it happened. I was pulling into my parking spot and pushed the pedal only to have it go all of the way down. In my case, the pivot block that the clutch rod screws into had slipped out of the release lever. There is a bolt and a nut that puts tension on the "ears" of that pivot block and the nut backed off allowing the block to pop out. I did the repair through the inspection hole on the bottom of the housing.
	1965 D17 Series IV

rasman57 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Illinois Points: 367	Post Options Post Reply Quote rasman57 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 Jun 2016 at 11:40pm
	I am hoping for a similar outcome and the ability to work in the inspection hole. If not, a new clutch might as well..... Rain kept me from getting after it this evening. Thanks for the responses.

jaybmiller Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 21609	Post Options Post Reply Quote jaybmiller Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 Jun 2016 at 6:11am
	Before you put it all back together...be SURE the release arm is on the TRANNY side of a big casting 'nub' and NOT on the ENGINE side !!! I'm thinking the 'nub' is to keep arm/rod form going too far in ? Yeah, I found out the hard way....only took 2 of us another 30 minutes to resplit, put it in the correct location, and 'tighten' things back up . Jay
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corbinstein Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 31 Jul 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 796	Post Options Post Reply Quote corbinstein Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 Jun 2016 at 6:26am
	yep, that casting nub is a stop. Guess what happens if you push too far past that nub on a B? that's right, over center and now you got no clutch! Nearly killed myself with that one.

rasman57 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Illinois Points: 367	Post Options Post Reply Quote rasman57 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 Jun 2016 at 6:33am
	Duly noted and thanks for the heads up!

NV4500 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 26 Apr 2014 Location: Ladoga, IN Points: 69	Post Options Post Reply Quote NV4500 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 Jun 2016 at 12:44pm
	http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=114540 If by chance we have the same issue, the above is the link where I reported the fix, findings and frustrations. I hope it can help someone! Edited by NV4500 - 10 Jun 2016 at 3:48pm
	1965 D17 Series IV

rasman57 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Illinois Points: 367	Post Options Post Reply Quote rasman57 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 Jun 2016 at 3:54pm
	Mack, you were close..... the throw out bearing froze up and while it did not take out the levers from the clutch assembly all the way, it ate them up a bit until they no longer had enough metal left to contact the bearing resulting in no contact. Funny thing is the clutch disc is like new. I have owned and mowed with this tractor for 3 years. My guess is either the bearing was not replaced or it was a Asia junk piece. It seized bad enough to actually spin the cast sleeve on the fork 90 degrees. Only the fact the fork was indexed between the casting nubs kept it situated properly. NV4500..that link did not take me anywhere. Might be me but it would not open. Time to get Rick in MO. working again!

Fred in Pa Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Hanover Pa. Points: 9114	Post Options Post Reply Quote Fred in Pa Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 Jun 2016 at 4:30pm
	After your new stuff is in ,check free play on bearing every once in while . Clutch needed adjusted and spun the release bearing all the time .That will burn the grease out of them.
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