rodb mlpankey rivalry why?

 

The "lumps" can be bought fully shaped to simply weld in.  The advantage of this head is that the additional contouring and material removal to accomodate the pre-formed lump is already done.

 

 

 

Kay was still living when we bought the head, which has his own serial# in it.  He still had the build sheet for it and told us all about it, as if he built it yesterday.  It was orginally built for a drag-only chevy II like yours running a 292.

 

Its a hellava little engine - I wish somebody was doing something with it.

 

What Jack pulled off with Hudsons in the 60's was the equivalent of showing up to a gunfight with a stick - and winning with it.  Pretty remarkable he kept those engines competitive well into the 70's, GM and Ford 6's into and beyond the 80's, and AMC 4.0 engines through the 90's until he died.

 

Funny how there is three of us on this forum that have ties to Jack Clifford, Steve (NJ) has rubbed elbows with him too.  Jack isn't that well known in this day and age unless a person has fooled with Hudsons or Chevy 6 poppers,, and there isn't many of us around as you know.

 

What we don't have a video of, which I lament badly, is of the Custom B.  As sweet as that 292 sounds - I still love the sound of a flathead hitting the high notes at 5500 rpm more.  I don't even care if I win or not, I just like that sound.

 

If I get time this year, I may bring that old girl (the Custom) out of the mothballs and go Pankey huntin'.  LOL  Surely he ain't afraid of a little ol' flathead?

 

 

 

I hated those pipes (still do), did more harm than good in my opinion.  But, it's Dad's ride - he can have whatever he dang well pleases.

 

Good story on how that tractor came to be.  When antique "outlaws" started down here, around '98 or so (basicly unlimited rpm and mph), the tractor had to have stock blocks to that model.  We built a Model B Custom, cranked the little flatty up to around 180 hp @ 5500 rpm - and let her rip!  It took me about a year to get the kinks worked out of its multiple carb setup on it.  Then sent alot of large cubed Olivers packin with sad faces, they couldn't turn over 2200 without coming apart.

 

Being outnumbered, the Oliver guys changed the rules.  They wanted to use the better waukesha engines out of the later Oliver combines, 12 port etc.  So, they said if a manufacturer had used that engine in any of its ag equipment, it was legal.  Bingo!  Allis used the 292 GM in its F combines.  The Allis boys in my hometown got busy and built 3 292/WD outfits that winter.  The Oliver contingent was NOT happy the next spring.  Those 3 would place somewhere in that order, all of them turning 6k+ rpm.  I got a better handle on how to tune those carbs, then it got to be Pap #1 and the other two.

 

In the 4000# class, that thing is the wildest ride I've ever seen come down the track.  Which, is what got it retired.  I think even Pankey saw its last wild romp at Carthage - which scared the heck out of everybody who saw it.  Its been for sale for quite a while, but probably will get disassembled and the engine de-tuned to put in some kind of vehicle.  Just lookin' for the right vehicle.

 

Good times, good times!

aint that the truth

I deleted that post.  Hope you read it.  I did bring an old topic back up I started last winter.  It's in the farm equipment section, titled Crossbreading.  I asked that the moderators move it over here to the pulling forum.  I had some items around that I had been working on.  Sorry if a lot of the pictures are gone, I had added some and cleaned out my file manager.  Read through it, some neat information and some people acting like a baby......

 

Now I'll adress pankey's envy as to why I have some cheap 4.185 bore pistons for sale.  See 2 of them are used and 2 of them are new but they came as a set of 8.  I sold 4.  Now it's been proven many times that pank is no math whiz so I'll explain why for a 4 cyl only 2 would be left over as new when originally sold as a set of 8....... they came from a neighbors 6 cyl.  Another forum member here Jermeyroff had them in a 6 cyl engine and I got a bunch of spare parts from him one night for doing a little cylinder head work for a 530 cid IH engine.  He had 6 of the IH truck rods around and I bought a salvage truck engine for a whopping $40 and pulled the rods from it.  Now our resident math whiz can add that 6+6=12 for rods and with 8 pistons why it gives me 2 sets of parts to sell.  If pankey had any memory he would also recall that last winter I had posted some pictures in which he was ranting about and the same parts were there.  I sold one set and the other set for sale is the left over.  The real mystery is what to do with the other 4 rods......

 

So don't worry about me copying you pank.  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that you can bore 4 1/8 liners .060 over and use a piston.  If you think it does than I see why you have the problems you do and do not have a working engine.  Those pistons just happened to work out with that rod, simple as that.  Originally Jermey had them in a 301 with a different rod. 

 

Now pank has mentioned "going all out" and makes more refrences to pushing the limets.  Well if useing Buda rods is going "all out" than we can also see why  he acts the way he does when someone posts pictures of things they have made.  To me useing Buda rods is best suted for low HP applications.  I use them but in small low HP engines for guys pulling in the 3 and 4 mph classes.  I know they won't hold up in anything that has to run fast or make big power.  Look at them, and for those of us with even basic knowledge of physics we would know that the more angle you put on a lever the weaker the lever gets.  Same with a connecting rod, the lesser the rod to stroke ratio is for a given rod, the less load it will support.  That's why I use a stronger rod, or go with a billet one depending on the application.

 

I'll even adress why I haven't been on the forum untill the last couple years..... I must be the only surviving person in a developed country without an email or facebook account.  In fact I don't even know how to post pictures on the forum here so they stay.  I put them in my file manager and then can post them.  And no one needs to explain any different as I'm not going to figure it out anyway, don't really care that much.  I'll share a few and when they're gone they're gone.  In all the time I saved though not being on the internet forums over the years trying to argue with anyone.   I did build a good business and can now do a lot of what I want.  It's wonderfull not haveing to go to a lunchpail job.  I do enjoy my family and as a hobby I really love working on, building and driving our component alky superstock tractor.  Why for the new guys on the block we got 3rd in state points and are building a complete new engine, fuel system, 3 turbo setup and putting in a lighter Pro-Fab tranny for more moveable weight next season.  There's a lot of tough Grand National tractors in our area like the Lynn's, Peisig, Chizek, Mondovi Mafia and we hope to be able to not look like complete fools when dealing with such a high class of competition.

 

I'm sorry for pickin on ya pank.  You can pick this post apart all you want.  No one is going to beleve you, they will laugh at you.  I've got lots of things to get to work on now so have your fun and try and belittle others.  Though there are a few people asking to see your  pics and video of you in action, they are even starting to say your full of BS.  So rather than takeing the time and trying to belittle anyone, get to work and go make us something.... run it and show us.... otherwise it's just useless banter on the internet.  As for me I know..... you couldn't build anything on your own, you can buy some parts, have a shop weld a crank, find some junkyard rods, bolt them togather and when it fails wonder why. But the tuth is that several forum members have done similar projects and they have all worked out.  Lots of us have great success with them, the difference is we are able to understand the most basic principals of the internal combustion engine and use adequate parts or make them ourselves.