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    Posted: 21 Apr 2017 at 10:19am
Ok, So after following Dave's bucket rebuild we thought it was time to get our 7G in service, I know I was just picking on Brent for starting another project, but what the heck it's that Iron disease thing. photo P5300008_zpsquk2qdqi.jpg
We've had this 7G for several years but have never got it up to speed. It's been sitting here for almost 2 years because it wont start and I can't get to the starter with the bucket down. So because we can I cheated.
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I used the big forklift, but couldn't find the right blocks. But found that 18'' backhoe buckets work perfect! photo P4180021_zpsxqdd7nl2.jpg
Got it up to it's almost comfortable to work on. I was sure it was the contacts in the solenoid (usually is) This is what I found. photo P4190001_zpsncrdugqn.jpg
Right call, it started right up.
  So I know Dave was sure he had the only ULRICH bucket in existence, I'm here to tell you there were 2 made and we have the other one! It's definitely a collectors item, as in not be used just collected! We do have the service manual and a original brochure for it which is cool from our collection stand point. Our plan is to put some logging forks on to use on the ranch.
  The other thing it needs is the decelerator pedal and linkage.  
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It came without any of that. The hand throttle is there, but the other stuff was removed. We've looked around a little but not to hard. There were several different versions according to the parts book. Was thinking we can build our own,but would prefer to find original parts. Ironically we have another 7G (same vintage) in very poor condition without those parts too. photo P4200004_zpssp9quysm.jpg
So if anyone knows where to look or has parts, let us know. Also this is not getting a full restoration any time soon! This one's for play and maybe pay? (as in a working job)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DMiller Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Apr 2017 at 12:44pm
Most God Awful heavy bucket I have ever been around!!  And we now know there were at least two!  Thanks Mel, made my day!!  That one looks to have had several Add On mods as well making it even more heavy than mine, nice looking old 7G.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DMiller Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Apr 2017 at 12:46pm
Let me go to scrounging on my donor.  The throttle on it was cabbaged together and a mess but I believe I have the decal system and linkage.  PM me a email and I will send photos when I find the stuff.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DMiller Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Apr 2017 at 8:43pm
I was just admiring that fine piece of engineering, appears has been re-engineered a time or two as mine has!! Hard mechanism to keep together and functional. Someone has put a lot of time on the rails, appears to have had grousers welded on.

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Yes, somebody welded lots of rebar on the grousers. They did a good job. It will last the life of the machine (at least as we no it). The history appears to be that the county of Los Angeles or (maybe the city) was the original owner and they probably put the ROPS on when that law came in to effect. (1970ish). It later went to a private party that had it for many years in Bishop, Ca. We got it from Doug, at Tri City Tractor in Colton, Ca. He and his father were in the AC parts business for many years and had wrecked out lots of ACs. He was friends of the previous owner and when they called him to get rid of it he called us to see if we were interested. 
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Yours is a earlier unit, floor throttle where mine is in dash as was the donor, both of mine have square air cleaner in the dash.  Yours has the round engine compartment filter which is easier to find as I have been told.  Temperamental old tractors but work hard when working.
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isn't that what that ole Darrel has up north of me? how much ya pay'in for me to makes a road trip??? lol
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whats with the 'treasure' on the left side of the first pic of the HD7G boys ??
Is a HD6 for sure and looks like a EP to me, as can,t see any master clutch lever that a 6E would have ??
Nosey people need to see a pic of that too !
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Shameless change your directions a little,Darrel has a HD5 that I could us. Maybe distract Mel by showing him a HD 14 C with Garwood blade. A genuine ran when parked some time in the 80's was started in the 90's and torch converter was rusted up.   
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isn't that rt track on backwards?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote donoman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Apr 2017 at 11:25am
Looks like the HD6 Merv is reffering to has a 7000 motor in it, can we have some pic's, I'm in the process of doing the same to my HD6E.
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yep it certainly has a modified air cleaner that was done for some reason. Pics and storys Mel.
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I've gotten a few parts from Doug at Tri City Tractor over the years.  Sounds like his selection of parts is pretty picked over now.  He told me they had dismantled over 30 HD11s for parts.  I also bought an SEC attachment, which came from just down the street from him, seems like.
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Headsup Mel, when you go to drop this monster 4/1 you may want to add a pair of iron braces on the back to level with the flat bottom or weld small box pipe or I-beam on the bottom sticking out the back.  As the buckets roll back when parked is because they are so off balance to the rear.  I blocked mine with it sitting on pallets but is only temporary until I can cut some steel for braces to weld on to keep it from rolling to its backside.

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So....Dave I know we have the 2 "worlds ugliest HD7G buckets"
 
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The 4 pins holding it on are EXTREMELY UNCOOPERATIVE!! (right down to I'm about to get the mans torch out)  Had a few minutes this afternoon to take this bucket off.....but nooooo.... It was 110 degrees here today but only 108 when I started the bucket job.  Only supposed to be 105 tomorrow.....so I'll get it done when it cools down.(LOL)
 
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These are the forks to put on....have already been removed from this 7G
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I had better luck rolling mine flat(set to dig) and taking all the load off the pins. Came out with a light hit from a four pound hammer(used it thinking would be worse). Once the lock pins are out the only resistance should be the friction between smooth pin(maybe grooved) and the bronze pivot bushing.

And YES, these are some really UGLY buckets!! Good luck Mel.

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This is where I sat mine off, in the position I set it off Mel, tools used alongside.

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Whoa here Mr Mel Tongue
What is the story with the bush rigged HD7G; yes the one with the forks, AND the powershift E30 winch on its tail that my eagle eyes have spotted Clap
Whats the matter with her ?? Would be a very useful machine for woodlot work. Or is the 'new' 7G to take her place ?. . . . And. . .what are you doing with that E30PS winch ? They are quite rare to find these days; although must have been a few sold in the days when 6ep and 7G machines were sold.
Yes we are nosey people us kiwi,s
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Merv... No problem...glad you ask. The "bush 7G" was the first one we acquired. It was many years ago and was in Oregon...it was a 3 day trip for Dave..but went well. The rails,pins and bushings are totally wasted...grousers are not that bad. The turbo is gone...and it did not steer. The engine did run ok. It needs sprockets...at least 1 for sure...those are hard to find.. somebody in Texas still makes weld on rims that we keep saying were going to order. We have rails that we can use....IT WILL NOT BE A COMPLETE DONOR TRACTOR!!!! I have borrowed some parts for this 7G that is ready for work. We have some projects for that winch....so we would like to restore it to good usable condition.

So I got the "mans torch" out today for "the Melvin Method" of removing uncooperative bucket pins. Dave mentioned bronze bushings....these are steel and after applying lots of BTUs the bushing was still stuck to the pin....end of story..I win 

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The "WORLDS HEAVIEST UGLIEST BUCKET" has been carried to storage in section 7G in the donor tractor parts inventory.

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So...we're up on blocks and ready to drop the pans and have a bath.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DMiller Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jun 2017 at 6:55am
Little tractor actually looks 'Happy' that damned bucket is OFF!! My 7 had what I thought were thick wall bronze bushings in the curl arms, no rust on them and appeared to be a copper-ish color, could be wrong. No grease fittings either, the lowers were steel but in fine shape.

Good to know the other one won't be a strictly donor tractor as my second is.
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Well....I'm 'HAPPY' the dam buckets off.  So..back to the grease fittings..was going to run this by you anyway. The parts book indicates those bushings (4) are the same...the (4) pins are the same...the pins are supposed to have grease fittings in them...these don't...they appear to be the right ones. Spent quite some time cleaning one looking for the holes for grease...not there...assuming they got changed out....also appears that some one torched the boom arms and dump arms where the grease fittings would be...if they were out there....where are your grease fittings?
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My 7G has fittings at all but those four points too. Not one of the four bucket pins is lubed or drilled to take lube or the curl arms drilled, even the curl arms are solid at the bucket end off the donor I have.
Not one fitting to either tractor and now yours.
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Very interesting.....maybe it was the standard feature that came with the 'worlds ugliest heaviest bucket' LOL. That would be the common thread here. We'll have to figure something out....when that squeaking starts I go bizerk.
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Even the GP off the donor had no lube points on the pins, just solid and square headed.
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I did manage to get mine out for a little dirt work today, had a spoil pile in the back I wanted to move most of, did that then moved a load of concrete scraps to the back ditch. Got it back up to the shed and noticed an oil smell then saw the running leak off belly pan leaving a snail trail. Not certain where yet but parked machine for the time being. Bucket performed as well as expected.
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Well will be easier fix than not. Trans oil cooler line popped thru, was losing oil down the joint of the engine block to bell housing. Both lines off but will await to tomorrow to run up to Union MO to the hydraulics shop. May take the spare Cessna Eaton Trans pump and see if anything can be done with it as the one on my machine is weak.
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Nice-looking 7g loader Mel
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How goes your conversion Mel, old tractor back to work?
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Dave....was hoping to beat you to the question.We made this a 4 day weekend hoping to get some ranch things done etc.  We've spent the first day and half branding and moving cows and calves to our summer pasture. The other goal is to get this 7G moved to start loading firewood logs.
  So.....that being said...we knew when we got your parts that they were not compatible with this model...but knew we would use them some where.
  So I used all of your parts in our re fabrication of the way we wanted it ....really,really happy with it.
 Some history...yes we know some AC stuff..Our father bought a HD9G and a HD5G new in the early 50s to load logs. Those of course were direct drive machines and very nice in there day.  When David and I started our sand and gravel business in 1972 we migrated to rubber tired loaders....645s and later 745s...crawler loaders were not at the top of the chart anymore. When we decided to start logging again in the mid 70s we decided to try to upgrade to HD11B series dozers....powershift...with a decelerator pedal.
 The 7G was one of ACs first powershifts...and had the ground speed govenor with whatever else they though they needed. After thousands of hours on 11Bs...I can't imagine not having the same system....and the biggest problem is I can't call anyone...cause there's no one left!!!!    So this is my design...I used the floor board and the pedal....the red pieces are welded to the bottom to hold the linkage...welded 2 flanged 1/2'' nuts also 
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Cut the top of the floorboard off a couple of inches and torched holes to fit the existing holes. The black pen marks are where the existing floor board will match.
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So the pieces should match up like this when installed.  With the 2 nuts welded to the bottom bolted to the top pieces.

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This would show how it goes.

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This would be installed in the tractor....The linkage needs to be hooked up before the left floor board is installed.
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The 2 shiny bolts in the middle are pulling the bottom plate to the floorboard and the 2 at the top are in original holes for the floor board (one is not visible under the pedal)
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I made a longer 1/2'' shaft to accommodate the decelerator linkages.
 
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So Dave.....really, really happy with these parts.  It gives us a pattern for fixing the other one also.
So these are the forks of the other 7...gave them a bath and had to torch a pin out that was still in there at the bottom left.

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So,It's matched up and ready for pins.
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So.... going back to the grease fittings...some one torched 3 of the 4 ..but only one went through the inside bushing too..I might do that to all of them...and then weld some kind of grease fitting....for tomorrow they get a heavy dose of nevesieze (yeah,I know, probably where it will end) LOL.  Have to make a pin to use...for the one I cut out....that's the chrome shaft that's showing.
 
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Hoping to get the forks on tomorrow...load it on the lowbed and move it about 3 miles to the back of the ranch. The Mrs.really wants to see some firewood soon!
  I'll take some videos...but seem to be out of photo space...I'll figure something out.
 Dave, Thanks again

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