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    Posted: 23 Mar 2017 at 10:26am
This is not intended to be anything political, so don't overthink the thread subject!
It is however, a growing problem that I am running into often.

I was reading the latest issue of "Antique Power Magazine". On page 31 there is an advertisement by Bradford Exchange for an AC Heirloom Stein. It depicts a D-17 tractor on the front, and a B on the back. Two things jump out at me:
1. The orange handle is shaped more like IH tinwork, rather than AC.
2. The historical information on the back reads as follows:

   ""with its roots in heavy equipment manufacturing, Allis Chalmers had the diversity of experience to bring innovation to the move to mechanized farming in the early 1900's. They also revolutionized branding by introducing the now-famous Persian Orange color for their tractors. The beloved D-17 model introduced in 1937 and priced at an affordable $500 for the many farmers who farmed 100 acres or less appears on the front and as a sculptural crown on the lid. The first breakthrough orange model, the Model B from 1929, appears here below.""

I am not sure if this is just an honest mistake, or the lack of due care in representing a historical tractor in a collectable piece.  It is my humble opinion that if we as collectors and users of A-C's or any other brand wish to continue to teach the next generations about real agricultural history, and its accomplishments, then we must do everything possible to make sure we are passing on the correct historical details to them.

I notified Bradford of the error. They responded by saying that the Research and Development  department will look into it.


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I have a Bradford CooCoo Clock that I got for Christmas. It has a farm scene and WD or WD45 on the front. I don't remember what the certificate of authenticity said and I accidentally burned it with the packaging a few weeks ago.
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those are quite the errors!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JohnCO Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Mar 2017 at 11:36am
I saw the errors too in the ad in Antique Power.  Hard to believe an outfit could make such big mistakes!  Way too expensive, especially considering the misinformation on it.  I wonder if  the production run has been done or if they take orders before manufacturing them.  If there are only a few with the mistakes, THOSE would be the real collectors items!

Obviously they didn't consult anyone on the Forum. LOL


Edited by JohnCO - 23 Mar 2017 at 11:38am
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Thinking about it some more got me so upset I fired off an email to them too!

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote HudCo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Mar 2017 at 12:12pm
thats real bad at least they could get the handle right,     why would an allis guy want a half farmall ?   i did not see a place to send an e mail
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Guess that'd how rumors get started
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Wow, that handle is right off an H! lol!
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I clicked on the orange link and was autodirected to the CANADIAN website ! arrrgh.....
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And to think it's FULLY LICENSED....yeah, fully licensed crap! By the Archer Well Company no less...


Edited by Bill_MN - 23 Mar 2017 at 2:48pm
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How many of us have been at AC tractor shows where vendors are selling the metal signs with a picture of a UC and saying it's a WC ? Good for you guys that responded to them via e-mails after all how they going to learn unless someone teaches them.
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yep that handle is right off a farmall "H" or "M"! dum azzes
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Speaking of Fake History, I was up at the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn, MI a few years ago. They had on display a JD 7000 series planter listed as the first no-till planter...NOT.
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Methinks they tried out the mug, afore writing the history...WinkWink
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That is just so wrong in so many ways. Hard to believe they actually produced it.
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Originally posted by JimWenigOH JimWenigOH wrote:

Speaking of Fake History, I was up at the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn, MI a few years ago. They had on display a JD 7000 series planter listed as the first no-till planter...NOT.

That's the type of crap I deal with. Misinformation, totally wrong information, or a completely new narrative. And...you don't even need the internet to see it. Maybe the "Correct Police" are not that bad after all? At least they care about being accurate.
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https://www.bradfordexchange.com/service_contact-us.html

Use this link to make a complaint. You will have to fill in the required boxes for your personal information. Leave a comment about this screw-up in the comment section.

C'mon collectors and users of A-C equipment, Lets defend a lasting legacy!!!!
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They push that crap out and hope that many AC people have many folks that won't know and buy them as gifts for their loved ones!
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Somebody needs to start over again and do their homework! If first you don't succeed, try, try, again....  LOL!
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I think that they should be forced to recall that stuff. That'll teach em. Now if we can just get the ASDA, FDA or somebody like that involved....LOL  Wait, you drink with it right? It comes from China? How much Lead might be in it?
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They probably molded a lot of those handles for IHC mugs/steins, then only print as many of the pictures that go around the mugs as needed, easier to print more pictures than mould more handles.

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Could be worse.  Could have been a green handle!!! LOL
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Their R and D people need leave; now. Always wanted to use a ";" ,just never had a need to. I too have seen the Farmall handle on stein, the UC tin with the WC title and its CA seat spring. My favorite has to be the Last Of The Line 6070 S.N. 1971 toy, but we all know the last 6070 was S.N. 1972. You can just buy the last 6070 at the auction, me, I want the second to the last 6070 and have everyone buying a numbered toy of my tractor. 
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I got a reply back that they are looking into it.  Wonder what that means.  I don't know what Pat charges for a full page ad in Antique Power but I'll bet it's a bunch! Can't imagine many AC collectors buying such a mistake.  I wonder if they have a Binder (IHC) mug?
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Sure enough!  They've got three Farmall steins, $79.95 each.  All told, they've got a chitpot of steins, most pretty ugly IMHO!
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OK.. as a 'diversion' from the 'cracked stack' I have to deal ,with I was curious about the steins... I ALWAYS get redirected to the Canadian BE website. So, I emailed them, turns out they do NOT allow Canadians to buy from the American website and have items shipped into Canada! Gets better. They ALSO do NOT allow Canadians to order from the USA and have product sent to any US address !!! Idiots.
I'm sorry guys, but I can't surprise buy/ship any 'rare' A-C steins to you.

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Funny, NOT, how the 1929 B has a starter and distributor too!
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I just sent an email to "Product Information". It may not be the right place and will most likely be deleted. Here is my email content:

Is your Allis Chalmers stein a result of piss poor research, poor translation, or just plain lack of interest in getting things right?
 The handle is a great representation of a Farmall M or H, a competitor of Allis.
 The D17 was introduced in 1957 at considerably more than $500. And the B was introduced in 1937 and didn't have electric start or a distributor as pictured on the "stein".
 Somebody SHOULD lose their job for this ridiculous example of lackawanna.
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