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Jim2
Bronze Level Joined: 20 Feb 2024 Location: Wisconsin Points: 25 |
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Thanks for the nice words. I did spend a lot of time on it.
As far as going to electronic ignition goes, I still think there's something wrong with the fuel side of things. I put some "mechanic in a can" (Berryman's B12 Chemtool) in the gas tank to see if that will make any difference. Figure it can't hurt. Just can't get past how that one cylinder is leaner than the rest. It runs well enough like this that I can get this tank of gas through it without fouling plugs. Who knows maybe it'll clear up? If it doesn't will probably end up swapping out the manifold to see what that does. Jim
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glenway
Bronze Level Joined: 17 Aug 2017 Location: Owosso, Michiga Points: 8 |
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You are very talented! Looks like my IB without the frame. Wondering if you've considered electronic ignition. Mine was fouling the plugs within a few hours of operation after the rebuild. Added electronic ignition and never had an issue since. Obviously a better spark.
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Jim2
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I've been wondering if my exhaust manifold might be the cause. Like I said the one spark plug was noticeably leaner than the others. Is there a test for this short of buying a new manifold and swapping out the old one?
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Jim2
Bronze Level Joined: 20 Feb 2024 Location: Wisconsin Points: 25 |
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The carburetor was gunked up pretty bad. At least one of the teardowns was to get some fuel to flow through the idle jet. Couldn't get it to idle without choke prior to that. I did replace the main jet when I was in there. I guess there could be more stuff in the passageway for the main jet. . . .
What's the best way to clean these small passageways? Poke a wire in there? I suppose choice of solvent would depend on what's causing the obstruction.
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steve(ill)
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 78050 |
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if it runs good at idle, but needs the choke on when you REV it up... 90% of the time the main jet is plugged... or partly plugged.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Jim2
Bronze Level Joined: 20 Feb 2024 Location: Wisconsin Points: 25 |
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Haven't had any updates lately, but have run into an issue that I can't seem to get past. Tractor starts well and runs good but only with choke once I throttle up. It will run fine at idle without choke. If I throttle up without choke it sounds like it is may be running on 3 cylinders. I have had the carb off 3 times, and I'm pretty sure that I've got it cleaned properly. Tank is clean as well. Had been working on painting and hydraulics, but now that I've got that further along have been using the tractor to pull my small dump trailer. I have some pretty steep hills here, so it works pretty hard when the trailer is loaded good. I'm pretty happy with the power, but only when choked. Finally have gotten around to looking at the ignition side of things. Had distributor apart and checked that the weights inside are free. Points, rotor, and cap look good (or new), and did replace condenser. Also replaced spark plug wires. Spark plugs appear to be new. Did notice that #4 seems to be running much leaner than then other 3 cylinders. Any ideas as to how to address the choke problems? Here's some more pics. Also have the front axle painted now, but these pictures don't show that. |
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rasman57
Silver Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Illinois Points: 367 |
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That is some impressive fabricating you have done on that tractor. Great work!
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Jim2
Bronze Level Joined: 20 Feb 2024 Location: Wisconsin Points: 25 |
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Pulled it apart this morning. As I suspected there was no thermostat in there.
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Alberta Phil
Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Alberta, Canada Points: 3657 |
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Most Allis tractors are noted for running cool.
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Jim2
Bronze Level Joined: 20 Feb 2024 Location: Wisconsin Points: 25 |
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Yeah, my girl just ain't gonna work that hard. Most it would ever do would be to pull a couple of big hills in road gear pulling my little 4 x 6 dump trailer. As long as the temp gauge is accurate, would be able to make adjustments as necessary.
I think I'm gonna look for a 180 degree thermostat.
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PaulB
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Rocky Ridge Md Points: 4434 |
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I call Bull$hit on Stiner. All of my working tractors have 180 thermostats, not one has ever overheated. With a good clean cooling system, there's nothing to worry about. Running a lower temperature thermostat may not boil off collected moisture unless run all day long. what happens in uncared for engines is sludge and rust packs around rearward cylinders and over the years build up to the point no water circulates around the sleeves.
In my CA & D10 pulling tractors which ran on E85 I had 190 degree thermostats and only had 2 blade fans. They needed to be warmed up to running temperature and would never overheat, even with multiple back to back pulls to get the sled set.
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If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
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Jim2
Bronze Level Joined: 20 Feb 2024 Location: Wisconsin Points: 25 |
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Steiner sells a 160 degree thermostat for the B, and they claim 180 degree thermostat could cause overheating. . . .
I won't be doing fieldwork, so would be better if it ran a little hotter, maybe? Would think for my use that a higher temperature thermostat might be better. Any thoughts on that? Ran it around the yard some and then up and down the road in 3rd gear a quarter mile each way including my very steep driveway. Never got warmer than 120 degrees. Jim |
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PaulB
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Rocky Ridge Md Points: 4434 |
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Either type thermostat housing (Cast Iron or Aluminum) will bolt right in if you have the bypass plug in your waterpump. If you don't have the plug, the cast iron housing works fine. For either type a 180 or higher thermostat is available (if you can find a knowledgeable parts person) Just call Sandy Lake Implement and they can fix you up. With a good thermostat, shutters are not needed. I have 2 NOS canvas curtains that were used on the very early Bs.
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If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
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Brian S(NY)
Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: CherryValley,NY Points: 3371 |
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very very nice :) I could do that myself IF i had the imagination and ability ;)
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God made man.Sam colt made man equal.
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Les Kerf
Orange Level Joined: 08 May 2020 Location: Idaho Points: 634 |
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Some of those older thermostats were designed to be pretty cool because the antifreeze was alcohol based and if the engine ran very warm then the alcohol would boil out of the coolant. My previous Model C had a 140 degree thermostat in it.
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Jim2
Bronze Level Joined: 20 Feb 2024 Location: Wisconsin Points: 25 |
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Looked at the tractor again after I posted. Think mine may well have a thermostat, but it's likely not working. Will have to have some more seat time to see what's going on.
JIm
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wjohn
Orange Level Joined: 19 Jan 2010 Location: KS Points: 1812 |
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Before thermostats they used radiator shutters or canvas partially blocking the front of the grille (like you see on some trucks and busses in the winter).
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1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45
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Jim2
Bronze Level Joined: 20 Feb 2024 Location: Wisconsin Points: 25 |
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This B is a 1940 model, and as such has no thermostat. Wondering if a later-model thermostat housing would be a bolt-on replacement for the water tube on this tractor?
Seems like I'll need some way of getting tractor up to temperature in cold weather. Have yet to see the temp gauge much, if any, above 120 degrees. Would like to use the tractor to bring firewood up to the house in the winter time. Jim
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Jim2
Bronze Level Joined: 20 Feb 2024 Location: Wisconsin Points: 25 |
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Very nice!
Don't think that I mentioned it earlier, but I also reduced the wheelbase when I lowered the tractor. Here's an in-process picture from when I was working on it and before adding rear bracing. I know the picture isn't the best, but you can kind of see that the axle is mounted behind the pivot point. The kingpins are also centered on the rear of the axle. That shortened the wheelbase by about 4 1/2". I think I'm at maybe just a little over 60" now. Was just playing around with having the tie-rod in front of the axle at the time. Decided that didn't work very well, and have since moved it back behind the axle. Jim |
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steve(ill)
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 78050 |
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Here is a B that i rotated the finals and built a straight front axle. I cut several inches off the steering tube, but still uses the original mounts.. YES, there is room for the battery in the original location on this one...... Photo says 2004 for a date... DANG !! Didnt realize it had been 20 years ! ... i have a belly mower on it now.. we call it the "Orchard B "..
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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steve(ill)
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 78050 |
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Good idea on the steering shaft.. I lowered a B several years ago and cut 8 inches off the steering shaft, but kept the original mount.... moving it BACK and tilting it UP looks like a good idea....
In fact, i normally cut 6 inches off ALL of the steering shafts on the B and gives me more room to get ON and OFF ... and i dont like the steering wheel stuck in my chest..
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Jim2
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Love that attitude; however, noticing a slight downward trend over time. Nothing to be too concerned about yet.
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Jim2
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Sorry, didn't see your question, Steve. Have been having some issues with my email, and didn't think to check the forum as didn't get any notifications.
Have the battery mounted on the side there. Did that early on as knew that I wouldn't be using any front implements once this tractor was lowered. Turns out there's almost enough room under the gas tank now with the steering changed up, but like I said--no reason to change it now. Yes, shortened the original steering shaft and made a new top for it. It is quite a lot shorter than stock. You can see the gas tank mount there as well. The original steering tube just fits inside of the new steering column. I know it's a little overbuilt, but at the time was still sorting out what I was going to do for a throttle, and thought I might possibly mount it, or possibly other things as well, on there. I just cut the original shaft off and welded this bit on top. That ball bearing is slip fit inside of the steering column from the bottom. Have had it on and off several times now in the course of rebuilding the steering box, doing the electrical, etc. Jim
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steve(ill)
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 78050 |
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Is that the factory steering column and gear box... just cut a foot of the length ? Where did you hide the battery ?
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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HudCo
Orange Level Joined: 29 Jan 2013 Location: Plymouth Utah Points: 3302 |
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dont know about the rest of you guys but i am getting younger every day
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Jim2
Bronze Level Joined: 20 Feb 2024 Location: Wisconsin Points: 25 |
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Yeah, none of us getting any younger! That's a great side benefit--though goal was really just stability on hills and smaller footprint.
Jim
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HudCo
Orange Level Joined: 29 Jan 2013 Location: Plymouth Utah Points: 3302 |
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that will be about 1000 times easyer to get on and off of . nice fabricating
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Jim2
Bronze Level Joined: 20 Feb 2024 Location: Wisconsin Points: 25 |
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Yes the rear wheels are deep dish that match a C. Don't have a lot of experience with Allis, so just figure the 5-bolt rears for a B were the same as C? I bought the inner weights off a C from a salvage guy and have cleaned up, painted, and mounted on there, so definitely are the C-style wheels.
Yes, have custom clutch and brake pedals. Those are just the brake locks in the picture, but they work in place of the pedals as well. Yes, took the original rear cover w/ PTO, hydraulics, and belt pulley off and replaced with my own cover. Original had lots of leaks and needed adjustment (bearings?). I could have made that work for hydraulics, I guess. Just figured I didn't need the extra aggravation of chasing those leaks. I'm planning to leave this tractor hooked to my hydraulic dump trailer, so wouldn't have use for PTO or belt. Have a couple other tractors for those other jobs, anyway. Jim
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steve(ill)
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 78050 |
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Lots of DESIGN and FIGURIN on that rear brake setup ! Does it have a brake pedal also.. or just the two hand levers ?
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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steve(ill)
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 78050 |
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OK... that explains a LOT.. YOU have done all the work... Some how i read that you got it last week ?? Does that sound like last AUGUST ??
Did you eliminate the hydraulic pump / pto shaft and build the new cover.. or was that the way it came ? Still think the wheels ( deep dish) are off a C ... hard to tell about the final drive WIDTH from the photos... Could have been a B with 5 bolt axles..
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